# Christine O'Donnell has replaced Palin in my heart of hearts... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499 "2010-09-21T02:35:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/61 "2010-09-21T16:54:16Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > Speaking as someone with intimate knowledge about Wicca and other esoteric forms of ceremonial magick, there are at least a few forms of Western Ceremonial Traditions that do employ an altar upon which a young woman is laid (literally) by the priest. This provides the sacrifice of her sexual energies during a ceremony. This isn’t actually ‘Satanic’ in that that particular entity is not deliberately invoked. It sounds quite a bit like an Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) ceremony. For what it is worth, it is most distinctly not my cup of tea, but your mileage may vary. She said her “date” was “_on_ the altar.” If that means she was giving up the booty to a priest, that _is_ news. My objection was not to the use of the word “altar,” by the way, but to her characterization of it as “Satanic.” There is no “Satanic” _anything_ in neo-paganism, so either she was making it up or she wasn’t paying attention. It’s also possible that it was one lone idiot just making stuff up trying to impress her, and built his own altar, I guess, and she turned one anecdote about a weird date into “I dabbled in witchcraft and saw a Satanic altar.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/62 "2010-09-21T16:55:32Z")
Or she’s simply playing up seeing some other girl at the pajama party break out a Tarot deck and try to tell everyone’s fortunes. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/63 "2010-09-21T16:58:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@Gagundathar](#): > > > > Speaking as someone with intimate knowledge about Wicca and other esoteric forms of ceremonial magick, there are at least a few forms of Western Ceremonial Traditions that do employ an altar upon which a young woman is laid (literally) by the priest. This provides the sacrifice of her sexual energies during a ceremony. This isn’t actually ‘Satanic’ in that that particular entity is not deliberately invoked. It sounds quite a bit like an Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) ceremony. For what it is worth, it is most distinctly not my cup of tea, but your mileage may vary. > > And to a non-inquisitive person of Christian background, that indeed might have seemed Satanic – that is, even if not explicitly referring to Satan, a religious practice with neo-pagan aspects would seem Satanically-inspired. I have already conceded that this is possible, but in that case it’s still dishonest for her to say she “dabbled in witchcraft” if she literally never learned the first thing about it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/64 "2010-09-21T16:59:26Z")
Remember, too, that O’Donnell is a Catholic-turned-Evangelical. The born-agains LOOOOVE this kind of thing. Half of the “witnessing” you hear from them consists of how awful and wicked and evil they were before their conversion…drugs and sex and witchcraft and buggery and puppy-kicking abound. ETA: And it’s usually some juicy tidbits, too. You almost never hear someone confess to having been an embezzler or a tax cheat or having eaten a hot dog on a Friday during Lent. It’s always sordid, trashy, soap-opera stuff. Conversion-porn, if you will… ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/65 "2010-09-21T17:03:47Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > My objection was not to the use of the word “altar,” by the way, but to her characterization of it as “Satanic.” There is no “Satanic” _anything_ in neo-paganism, so either she was making it up or she wasn’t paying attention. i am sure it was in the context of the fundamentalist belief that all pagan religions are from Satan. I am sure she thinks Islam is Satanic for the same reason. The fact that the adherents don’t actually worship Satan is irrelevant, because they are being deceived by Satan. Judaism gets a pass, because it’s in the bible. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/66 "2010-09-21T17:08:22Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Remember, too, that O’Donnell is a Catholic-turned-Evangelical. The born-agains LOOOOVE this kind of thing. Half of the “witnessing” you hear from them consists of how awful and wicked and evil they were before their conversion…drugs and sex and witchcraft and buggery and puppy-kicking abound. This is true. Some of the revival services and other witnessing events I’ve seen practically turn into a contest over who was the most wild and reckless character before they got Jesus. For the guys, it almost comes off like a backdoor way to do impress chicks with the bad boy" thing without really having to be one. They were all running their own gangs and were drug lords on a par with Scarface. They all had sex with thousands of women non-stop and were total bad asses who were feared by other criminals, etc.Then they got Jesus and that turned them into the soft little putzes standing before you now. And they were all atheists, too, of course. And they could all out-debate Christians about it before they got Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/67 "2010-09-21T17:11:11Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Judaism gets a pass, because it’s in the bible. More to the point, Judaism gets a pass because the Biblical literalists require the Jews to return to a resurgent Israel in order for the Second Coming to happen. The fact that the Jews then have a convert-or-fry-forever Hobson’s choice to make is just a delicious bonus for the Biblits… ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/68 "2010-09-21T17:11:42Z")
People, the reason for this is obvious. The right always claims to want smaller government, yet have never accomplished this even when in power, so they have decided on another tactic. Elect the stupidest people they can and once there are enough of them in power the government will collapse, and shrink, all on its own because of it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/69 "2010-09-21T19:10:10Z")
I don’t think the witchcraft thingy will get any traction, and trying to parse something she said 11 years ago about what she did when she was in high school is a fool’s errand. She’s got some pretty heavy baggage in other areas, though, concerning how she got her degree and what she did with past campaign funds. Then, there’s her ultra-social conservative agenda in pretty middle of the road Delaware, and she’s got some work cut out for her. The GOP PR machine is going to have to get cracking if she is to have any chance of winning. I can’t see her taking much, if any, of the spotlight off Palin nationally. She’ll have her moment in the spotlight, and if she loses the election, she’ll be toast. Maybe Look for her on _Dancing with the Stars_, which seems to be the new _Hollywood Squares_. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/70 "2010-09-21T19:39:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > And to a non-inquisitive person of Christian background, that indeed might have seemed Satanic – that is, even if not explicitly referring to Satan, a religious practice with neo-pagan aspects would seem Satanically-inspired. > > I have already conceded that this is possible, but in that case it’s still dishonest for her to say she “dabbled in witchcraft” if she literally never learned the first thing about it. It is SO unfair of you you to hold a nitwit like her normal standards of honesty and dishonesty. 😛 She probably believes Jesus actually speaks to her, while you and I know that, at best, it’s a chemically induced hallucination. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/71 "2010-09-21T19:41:15Z")
The point of the witcraft dabbeling thing is that she has shown herself to be an attention whore; someone who will say anything to keep the camera on them and then say it was all just for kicks. Think about it; could you see George W going on a live nationwide show in 1982 talking about his drug and alcohol abuse? And then having the nerve to run for any political office? This biatch is an attention whore. The fact that O’Donnel wasn’t prepared for this type of crap enough to go on the talk shows and defend her position without having to meet with her coven of spin masters first shows that she dosen’t have what it takes to be in any political office; let alone the US Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/72 "2010-09-21T19:59:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I can’t see her taking much, if any, of the spotlight off Palin nationally. She’ll have her moment in the spotlight, and if she loses the election, she’ll be toast. Maybe Look for her on _Dancing with the Stars_, which seems to be the new _Hollywood Squares_. If O’Donnell loses, the Tea Partiers will see it as more proof that the mainstream media and liberal elites are against them. That will convince them how just and right their beliefs are. This will cause them to put forward more candidates, in more elections, promising more tax cuts. The same thing will happen if O’Donnell wins and America doesn’t become (their kind of) paradise. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/73 "2010-09-21T20:20:22Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > After claiming last election that lack of experience was a reason not to vote for Obama. Well it was. His lack of experience of being white. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/74 "2010-09-21T21:11:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > > > She is the least qualified candidate to run for a Senate that I can recall. > > [I can think of another one.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Greene) Yeah, the teabaggers backed that one too 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/75 "2010-09-21T21:15:58Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > [I can think of another one.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Greene) > > I’ll agree that Alvin Greene is even less qualified than O’Donnell. The telling difference between them is: The SC Democratic party actually put out a statement saying that their internal laws prohibit them from offically endorsing and giving money to the Green Party candidate. > > I am a little pissed at Bill Maher for dropping the witchcraft bomb so early. It gave her a chance to back out of the Sunday Morning Talk Shows. Now the only place we’ll see her is on Sean Hannity. Thanks, Bill. You think this witch thing is all there is? This woman didn’t turn batshit crazy last week, she’s been batshit crazy a loooong time, like all her life. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/76 "2010-09-21T21:17:49Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > O’Donnell is just a genetic creation using DNA from Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin. Milf gone wild? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/77 "2010-09-22T12:50:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There’s not enough room for two princesses at this tea party. I think there’s only one way to settle this. Jello fight. Naked jello fight! Or at least, bikini jello fight. But naked would be better. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/78 "2010-09-22T13:07:58Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Remember, too, that O’Donnell is a Catholic-turned-Evangelical. The born-agains LOOOOVE this kind of thing. Half of the “witnessing” you hear from them consists of how awful and wicked and evil they were before their conversion…drugs and sex and witchcraft and buggery and puppy-kicking abound. Again, just like **SA** ’s “sex ed turned a paragon of virtue like me into an attempted kiddie rapist”. (taptap) Is this thing on? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/79 "2010-09-22T13:55:27Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You almost never hear someone confess to having been an embezzler or a tax cheat or having eaten a hot dog on a Friday during Lent. What’s wrong with eating a hot dog during Lent? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/80 "2010-09-22T13:59:45Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > > [@jayjay](#): > > > > You almost never hear someone confess to having been an embezzler or a tax cheat or having eaten a hot dog on a Friday during Lent. > > What’s wrong with eating a hot dog during Lent? Yeah. It’s not like they are made of meat or anything like that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499.md?page=5)