# Christopher Nolan's Tenet **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [September 2, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573 "2020-09-02T04:03:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/1 "2020-09-02T04:03:00Z")
I saw it this evening in one of our local theaters with about 6 other patrons all socially distant. Great Nolan flick, well thought out, fast paced, attention required. John David Washington will become a big star after this movie. It was similar to Inception in pacing and plot twists. Great opening for the return to theaters. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/2 "2020-09-02T05:32:56Z")
That’s good to hear. I’m not going anywhere near a movie theater for the foreseeable future, but will definitely watch it when it comes to, err, not theaters. I always have polarizing reactions to Nolan movies. Loved _Memento_, _Prestige_, _Dark Knight_, and _Inception_, but HAAAAATED _Dark Knight Rises_ and _Interstellar_. And he needs a better audio mixer. I’ve heard great things about _Tenet_ in general, so definitely looking forward to it. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/3 "2020-09-02T13:26:30Z")
I’m really looking forward to seeing it as well but I am also unsure about going to a movie theater at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/4 "2020-09-02T14:22:26Z")
It’s definitely one that I will want to watch at least a couple more times, to catch the little things that I missed the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/5 "2020-09-02T16:57:53Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > John David Washington will become a big star after this movie. He’s quite good in _Ballers_. I admit I only recently learned who his dad is, but it’s not really relevant - he does just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/6 "2020-09-02T19:30:06Z")
Washington’s other notable role was the lead in the Black Klansman. ---
**Author:** ![TheBoltEater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@TheBoltEater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheBoltEater)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/7 "2020-09-03T02:33:54Z")
Saw it myself a few hours ago in a theater full of exactly me and no one else. I’m a pretty big Nolan fan and was not surprised at how much I enjoyed it. But it practically demands multiple viewings; and if you can bring along, say, a talented court reporter to take copious cross-referenced notes, so much the better. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/8 "2020-09-03T04:10:02Z")
The movie title is a palindrome. And will make more sense when you see the movie. ---
**Author:** ![GMANCANADA](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gmancanada/32/2837_2.png) [@GMANCANADA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GMANCANADA)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/9 "2020-09-03T14:18:09Z")
Saw it with my son last night at the drive-in! A great experience. He was seeing it for the second time and said he got way more out of it on a second viewing. As you say - it’s pretty relentless action and very fast pacing, with lots going on to follow on the screen (too much happening to follow in a single viewing IMHO). I really enjoyed it and I’ll watch at least a couple more times. But as my you and son said, you definitely need to pay attention and stay focused for the entire film. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/10 "2020-09-03T16:48:34Z")
Looks pretty cool!: [TENET - Final Trailer - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZGcmvrTX9M) I expect I’ll see it… and then see it again. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/11 "2020-09-03T18:40:05Z")
Yeah, want to see this, but not in the theater, which is too bad, because I’m sure this movie merits it. I likely won’t to to the movies until there’s a vaccine or I (hopefully) recover from a covid bout. ---
**Author:** ![GMANCANADA](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gmancanada/32/2837_2.png) [@GMANCANADA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GMANCANADA)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/12 "2020-09-04T11:37:21Z")
Good and completely spoiler filled explanation of the movie - maybe read it after you’ve seen it once (or twice). > **[All Your Tenet Questions, Answered](https://slate.com/culture/2020/09/tenet-explained-christopher-nolan-movie-ending-spoilers.html)** > > We traveled to a distant future where we understand Tenet in order to bring you back this explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/13 "2020-09-04T17:23:53Z")
Is the sound mix the typical Nolan mix (review of Dunkirk - “I was at Dunkirk, and the movie was louder.”)? If so, I’ll wait for the blu ray. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/14 "2020-09-04T17:43:41Z")
Several reviews have already criticized the sound mix. Hope it’s fixed by the time I see it (probably at home). ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/15 "2020-09-04T22:22:46Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Several reviews have already criticized the sound mix. This is by design. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/16 "2020-09-04T22:26:20Z")
Here’s a joke that you won’t get until you see the movie… best golden shower scene! I don’t know what to describe this other fact, it’s not a spoiler, it’s almost an Easter egg, it’s something not really plot relevant but pops up in the movie several times… familiarize yourself with the [Sator Square](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square). ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/17 "2020-09-05T10:24:31Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Several reviews have already criticized the sound mix. Hope it’s fixed by the time I see it (probably at home). It won’t be. He does this shit on purpose and nobody seems willing to stop him. Oh well. I’ll wait for the blu-ray and manually adjust the mix so I can actually understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/18 "2020-09-06T01:50:02Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I’ll wait for the blu-ray and manually adjust the mix so I can actually understand it. How does one do this? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/19 "2020-09-06T03:31:06Z")
**No Spoilers in this post.** So, I saw the movie in a theater last night. For the record, I felt very safe. The theater, on a Friday at 8:30 before Labor Day, was basically deserted. We bought our tickets online and didn’t visit the sole box office worker. There was a single masked and gloved ticket taker who scanned my phone from 8 feet away…the only interaction that wasn’t behind a plastic screen. There was a single person selling concessions. No food was ordered, though I’d have killed for a hot pretzel with cheese sauce, but I did get a fountain pop. The worker behind a near full screen passed the empty cup and lid through a small hole at the bottom and I paid with touchless Apple Pay. I filled my drink from the new Pespi Spire, which surpassingly replaces the Coke Freestyle, and took our seats. We spread on the hand sanitizer and kept our masks on the whole time. We were alone in our row, and there were maybe 10 other people in the large theater all spaced out with 2 rows and 3 seats in between each group at minimum. All in all, I felt safer than I would have in about any other indoor setting due to the large open space, very low attendance and negligible interaction with other people. Way safer than picking up food inside a fast food joint for example. On to the movie, I’m not going to give a spoiler filled review partly because a lot of people will be slow to see this movie and partly because I have no idea what was going on. Reading this article gave me more understanding of what was supposedly happening than the 2:30 of runtime did. If you’re into spoilers it’s a good place to start. A similar summary was posted upthread. > **[A Beat-by-Beat Explanation of What Happens in Tenet](https://www.vulture.com/2020/09/tenet-explained-whats-going-on-in-the-plot-of-this-movie.html)** > > Turns out the plot of Christopher Nolan’s new movie is also a mystery to people who have seen it. What did I think? Honestly, my first impression is that it sucked. It’s a confusing nonsensical mess. And it’s poorly made to boot, relatively speaking. I really really like Christopher Nolan movies and he’s the only director going right now who could get me out of the house and into a theater in this pandemic. I LOVE The Dark Knight and really liked Inception and Interstellar. Memento was amazing. Dunkirk is one of the best war movies I’ve seen in years. While I do have quibbles with some of the logic in the finales of both Inception and Interstellar, and time-travel/time-dilation storylines always tend to be problematic by their nature, all in all I found them engrossing and very enjoyable with great characters, acting and plot pacing. I say this to try to prove that I am not a Nolan-hater, I’m not even a critic, I’m a stan. With that in mind, after one viewing, my initial impression is that this movie isn’t just confusing, it’s bad. I will certainly give it another chance post-pandemic or in-home, whichever comes first. Nolan has earned that, but my experience was not an enjoyable one. Here’s the issues: 1. It’s fucking confusing. Not confusing in the Inception way, where there’s just a lot of intricate stuff happening kinda fast, it’s confusing in the ramblings of a schizophrenic sort of way. I think Nolan has gotten a little full of himself and is letting his obsession with time undermine his work. A movie at it’s very core needs to tell a story. The story doesn’t have to be simple, universal or even perfectly free of plot holes, but it needs to be comprehensible. This movie reminds me of Malick’s Tree Of Life, an abortion of a movie that can only appeal to movie nerds who care about style or technical details more than the script, the characters and the story. Tenet is not a roller coaster where the plot is just a means to an end either, it’s trying to weave a complex narrative and failing miserably. 2. It’s unintelligible. This contributes to the first issue, but it’s a problem in and of itself. Nolan’s sound mixing frequently gets criticism and he does like to lay massive sound on top of fast paced dialogue which can be tricky for some people to parse, but typically I’ve never felt like that’s a problem for me. This movie however is a garbled, mumbly mess. Several of the characters are wearing masks, oxygen masks, gas masks and tactical helmets, while speaking critical exposition, it’s a major challenge to understand them at many key spots. Lots of discussions, including the cliched big-bad’s monologue at the climax, were carried on via cell phone with lots of cuts. Several of the characters are speaking with heavy accents. In Branagh’s case it’s a heavy (bad?) fake Russian one and he does a lot of the exposition. Clemence Poesy’s French accent and Dimple Kapadia Indian accent both add a degree of difficulty to following other crucial exposition. John David Washington is a somewhat inexperienced actor and for some reason he mumbles most of his lines in this film, not sure if that’s direction or an attempt to distance himself from his previous roles I don’t know. Pattison too slurs half his lines, playing the role like he’s half drunk. Throw in the gunfire, car chase noises, ocean and boat sounds, Opera halls, Mumbai streets and musical score, it’s simple impossible to hear what’s going on without subtitles. 3. It’s all exposition and then it’s not. Several of the movie’s main conceits are just vomited out by minor characters in long winded bits of dialogue. The main characters barely challenge any of it, time travel exists…cool, what now, and there’s no time for discussion or clarification on any of the details. Several key points are said once, very quickly in hard to hear settings, and then never repeated. For example, I didn’t find out the villain’s main motivation until I read the linked review above the next day. So there’s several scenes where the plot is explained, often unintelligibly, but it’s just laid out in a monologue. There’s no “show”, it’s all “tell”. BUT, there’s a bunch of stuff they don’t explain at all. In fact, on the rare occasions when a character actually asks for more information another character tells them (and you the audience) don’t worry about it, you wouldn’t get it. This is a movie about time travel and paradoxes with stereotypical good guys and bad guys. There’s technology which never gets even a passing explanation. There’s continuity problems. There’s the threat of annihilation. Most of the basic questions about the implication of time travel aren’t asked and the ones that are are dismissed. There’s good guys and bad guys with goals you’re told about, but their motivations are basically an afterthought. 4. Why is anyone doing anything? Setting aside the fact that time travel and paradoxes call into question the purpose of everything that happens here, the character motivations are pretty nonsensical. The protagonist is an agent with a job and he basically is trying to save the world, but besides that we have no idea why he’s doing any of this. He’s just given orders by bosses he just met. His sidekick is recruited and immediately starts agreeing with everything. The femme fatale is just there, her given reason for being in an unhappy marriage to the bad guy makes almost no sense and the relationship with the protagonist basically evolves out of knowhere. He’s willing to risk the entire mission for her after a single meeting…and there’s not even a hint of a love interest, he’s helping just because. The bad guys are basically one dimensional evil dudes and even their goals are muddy at best. Eventually you’re given a motive, but it doesn’t really survive even the barest scrutiny. These people do things because Nolan wants them to, that’s about it. 5. It’s just not that cool. Say what you will about Inception or Interstellar, but they are at the very least an amazing spectacle. In them you travel through space, you inhabit dreamscapes, there’s an epic narrative. There’s scene chewing acting. There’s memorable scenes even taken out of context that are engrossing to watch. There’s amazing set pieces in iconic locales. There’s interesting relationships. This movie just doesn’t feel cool. Sure, there’s a yacht and a fancy restaurant and a opera house but for the most part, they aren’t unique. In most cases, it’s either people talking to each other, chasing each other or shooting at each other. Take away the time travel/backward movement and it’s a forgettable action flick. There’s no magic. So, without breaking down the plot itself and without the benefit of multiple viewings to determine if maybe things just went over my head, that’s my take. Save your money and stay socially distant, wait for it to come to cable or streaming, turn on subtitles and see if you can find the story in this mess. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573/20 "2020-09-06T11:56:29Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > How does one do this? My Blu-ray player has a menu option that allows me to adjust the audio channels individually. Increasing the center channel (where the dialogue usually is) and turning down the side channels makes Nolan movies a lot more bearable, IME. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christopher-nolans-tenet/919573.md?page=2)