# Chronos clarification please **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 26, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378 "2021-09-26T16:33:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/1 "2021-09-26T16:33:04Z")
“We have a rule against misgendering, and “male impersonator” appears to be an example of that. That’ll be a Warning.” Could you clarify the problem. What constitutes misgendering? If a female chooses to take on the male role of husband, she is a female impersonating a male. This is not a value judgement, just linguistics. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/2 "2021-09-26T16:39:15Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > If a female chooses to take on the male role of husband There are officially assigned roles? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/3 "2021-09-26T16:42:29Z")
Yes - Linguistically husband is the male partner of a spouse. Being a post, the issue is linguistic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/4 "2021-09-26T16:44:57Z")
If I understand the context, the person you referred to as a “male impersonator” is a trans-man. A trans man is not a male impersonator. That was your mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/5 "2021-09-26T16:51:00Z")
A pregnant individual is biologically female. I’m not sure where ‘trans-man’ enters the issue. I don’t believe the term was used on the program. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/6 "2021-09-26T16:57:58Z")
I’m not sure of the context this issue is being discussed. Trans people are not impersonating anybody. But “female impersonators” or “drag queens” shows used to be a thing. In fact Ru Paul has a current well received reality show about it. Then there is the movie Victor/Victoria. I don’t know who identifies as female or gay on that show. What is the word for a cis gendered heterosexual person who happens to enjoy wearing the clothing of the opposite cis gendered heterosexual person? Cross dresser seems old fashioned. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/7 "2021-09-26T17:09:55Z")
Who are you talking about? I haven’t seen the show, but some googling revealed that one of the contestants is married to a trans man. If that’s who you’re talking about, then calling him a “male impersonator” is misgendering, as he is not impersonating a male. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/8 "2021-09-26T17:12:58Z")
What’s the definition of ‘trans-man’? If the ‘trans-man’ is pregnant ‘he’s’ female. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/9 "2021-09-26T17:15:16Z")
A trans-man is a man who was assigned female at birth. A husband is a man married to another person. The person in question is a trans man, and also is the husband of a contestant on the TV show. He is not a male impersonator. Calling him a male impersonator was misgendering (i.e. implying he is not a man), which is against the rules. You are free to believe that trans men are not men, but AFAICT posting that sentiment would be a violation of the rule against misgendering. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/10 "2021-09-26T17:18:23Z")
Can someone please link to the thread/warning in question? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/11 "2021-09-26T17:19:11Z")
> [@Survivor: 41st Season](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-41st-season/951202/16): > > Good diversity - no celebs or retreads. But, a guy whose husband is a pregnant male impersonator. And the pregnant ‘he’ will show up on family day? That’s a bit much. > > I’d like to see more time on meeting the challenges of camp craft. What did they do for fire, food and shelter? The cutsie song reminds me of the woman long ago who sang her Survivor song as they rowed to the island. She was the first voted off. > [@Survivor: 41st Season](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-41st-season/951202/20): > > [Moderating] We have a rule against misgendering, and “male impersonator” appears to be an example of that. That’ll be a Warning. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/12 "2021-09-26T17:20:02Z")
I really have no idea what you are talking about. A person who was assigned female at birth and subsequently became pregnant is biologically female. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/13 "2021-09-26T17:22:03Z")
So what? This person is a trans man and the husband of a contestant. They are not a “male impersonator” (which means someone pretending to be a MAN, not someone pretending to BIOLOGICALLY MALE). Biological sex is irrelevant to this conversation. Drag queens/“female impersonators” are not “pretending to be BIOLOGICAL FEMALES”, they are pretending to be WOMEN for performances, which means taking on the clothing, makeup, appearance, mannerisms, etc., that society and culture has assigned to the social gender role of female (the societal gender role, not the biological sex). ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/14 "2021-09-26T17:24:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > which means someone pretending to be a MAN, Yes - a female acting out a male role - ie husband. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/15 "2021-09-26T17:24:35Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > What’s the definition of ‘trans-man’? Did you not like the answer you got the first time you asked this? Was there a specific answer that you’d accept over others? > [@Trans Rights - Too much, too soon?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trans-rights-too-much-too-soon/835167/28): > > The term ‘Trans’ seems to cover a range of situations. Can someone define it? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/16 "2021-09-26T17:25:33Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I really have no idea what you are talking about. A person who was assigned female at birth and subsequently became pregnant is biologically female. A man can be biologically female. A man is a person who identifies as a man, it’s a social construct. A trans-man is a man who was born with female genitalia, and can become pregnant. He is not “impersonating” a man; he **is** one. Denying that a man is a man because of what genitalia he is born with is not conduct allowed on this board per the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/17 "2021-09-26T17:25:54Z")
Is this the person in question? > **[‘Survivor’ Season 41 Cast Member Evvie Jagoda Hopes to be the First...](https://www.distractify.com/p/survivor-season-41-evvie)** > > ‘Survivor’ Season 41 is underway, and as fans get to know the new castmates, Evvie hopes to become the first non-binary person to win the competition. > non-binary person ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/18 "2021-09-26T17:27:37Z")
But he’s not pretending. He is a man, and he is a husband. There’s no performance about it. Male impersonators, and female impersonators (also called “drag queens” and “drag kings”) are performers who entertain. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/19 "2021-09-26T17:28:05Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Is this the person in question? If that’s the case then even the premise that Crane has presented (a pregnant person identifying as a man) is not accurate, because they don’t identify as a man. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/20 "2021-09-26T17:28:43Z")
I don’t think so – from googling, there’s another contestant, Richard Foye, who is married to a trans man. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378.md?page=2)