# Chronos, this is the wrong call **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 8, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251 "2021-08-08T20:41:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/202 "2021-08-09T23:34:21Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The result would be that the people who get angry over lots of stuff control the conversation. Not good, IMHO.  There’s angry, then there’s legitimately angry. Pissed off that your post was mod-noted or warned because that’s a violation of my freedom of speech! is neither legitimate nor important. Pissed off that somebody’s posting crap that could get you hurt or even killed in the real world is an actual concern. Exactly one of those things is more important than some message board’s rules. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/203 "2021-08-09T23:34:21Z")
That’s absurd. If you are “angry over lots of stuff” and have no cogent argument or justification for your anger, you won’t control anything. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/204 "2021-08-09T23:36:22Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Pissed off that your post was mod-noted or warned because that’s a violation of my freedom of speech! is neither legitimate nor important. Who in this thread mentioned freedom of speech? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/205 "2021-08-09T23:36:46Z")
It was an example. Don’t try to sidetrack. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/206 "2021-08-09T23:37:54Z")
I fully agree with Helena’s opinion of Dale’s comment, and disagree with Dale’s assessment of women’s sports. Having said that, I don’t think Chronos necessarily made the wrong call. Helena’s infraction was black-and-white, and the mods gave her a warning _even though_ they agreed with her sentiment. They were simply being objective. As for Dale, he provided a general but unpopular opinion, but it wasn’t directed at any one person (including Dopers) and he didn’t otherwise seem to be instigating anything. His punishment is actually much worse than Helena’s, as we now have an even better understanding of what kind of person he is. Even though Helena got the warning, she came out on top. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/207 "2021-08-09T23:40:00Z")
The only thing I know about Dale is that he really doesn’t like women. We’re all gold diggers to him, it seems. I was not surprised to see his response in the Olympic thread. Women can’t win with him whether they’re going after his gold or their own. I can’t help but feel pity for him. He’s shortchanged himself. I’d like to add my wishes that you’ll stick around Helena. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/208 "2021-08-10T00:03:50Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > The house style at one of my publishers is that sexist describes actions that discriminate against one sex (almost always against women), and misogynist describes the feeling or motivation of a hatred (or at least a strong disdain) for women. > > In common parlance, though, they’re basically synonyms. It’s unfortunate that people just go straight to the stronger of the terms as a synonym for everything, because it ends up diluting the seriousness of the latter and contributing to a society where _everything_ is an outrage, instead of just warranting an eye-roll or maybe a mild put-down. Saying “Women shouldn’t work, they should be in the kitchen and looking after babies” is misogynist nonsense. Assuming a the young woman at a meeting will be the one organising refreshments is sexist - there’s not generally an assumption she isn’t good enough (or shouldn’t) be doing anything else, it’s just that “Women make the coffee, right?” (this assumption is incorrect, obviously). ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/209 "2021-08-10T00:08:03Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > > > The house style at one of my publishers is that sexist describes actions that discriminate against one sex (almost always against women), and misogynist describes the feeling or motivation of a hatred (or at least a strong disdain) for women. > > > > In common parlance, though, they’re basically synonyms. > > It’s unfortunate that people just go straight to the stronger of the terms as a synonym for everything, because it ends up diluting the seriousness of the latter and contributing to a society where _everything_ is an outrage, instead of just warranting an eye-roll or maybe a mild put-down. Yeah, but it’s one of the things that drives language-change. You’ll also see minimalization sometimes, where the weaker of the terms is used. It wasn’t rape, it was sexual assault. (At least to me, rape is the stronger term there.) ETA: Just to add that I don’t disagree with you. It’s human nature to try to paint ourselves or our friends or those on our “team” in a more beneficial light while painting the worst picture we can of our opponents. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/210 "2021-08-10T00:11:11Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Yeah, but it’s one of the things that drives language-change. You’ll also see minimalization sometimes, where the weaker of the terms is used. It wasn’t rape, it was sexual assault. (At least to me, rape is the stronger term there.) Agreed on that minimisation front too. And I’m not a fan of the euphemism treadmill and while I appreciate language changes, I am concerned by the loss of subtlety of differentiations in communication that the trend towards being outraged by everything (and associated I Am More Outraged Than You displays) causes. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/211 "2021-08-10T00:40:45Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > [I think Miller was wrong to warn me in this BBQ Pit thread - About This Message Board - Straight Dope Message Board](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391) Thank you. I had no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/212 "2021-08-10T01:48:57Z")
That rape warning wasn’t even the first problem he had with the issue. As Miller stated in that thread: > [@I think Miller was wrong to warn me in this BBQ Pit thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-think-miller-was-wrong-to-warn-me-in-this-bbq-pit-thread/732391/40): > > Not much to add here in my defense that hasn’t already been said. This is the perfect application of the “don’t be a jerk” rule: to cover behavior so obviously and unambiguously beyond the pale that we never considered the need to make an explicit rule against it. And it’s not exactly like this came out of the blue. He’d just recently been enjoined from discussing sports-related rape accusations in Game Room threads. Most people would take that as a hint to back off on the subject in general… In other words, that controversy came on the heels of being asked to not discuss sports-related rape accusations. So this most recent topic ban on women and sports is basically just another example of his problem with women and sports. Here is the “guidance” to knock it off that I believe Miller was referencing: > [@2015 College Football Omnibus Thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2015-college-football-omnibus-thread/729398/20): > > Another ridiculous Title IX gold digging lawsuit! Mike Riley is now being sued, along with Oregon State for creating a ‘culture of rape’ A woman claims she was raped in October 1999!! Oh, that’s right , Riley wasn’t even OSU coach then! 7.5 million dollars will help this poor damsel in distress recover from her ‘rape’ > [@2015 College Football Omnibus Thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2015-college-football-omnibus-thread/729398/24): > > Make your own thread (and in the Pit or GD) if you want to hash stuff out this yet again, please. Just to provide a little more context to what was going on prior to that warning. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/213 "2021-08-10T03:31:41Z")
I know that this has been a tough couple of days for the Mods. And I disagreed with some of the decisions. That said, I do appreciate you guys. Thanks for continuing to reconsider things. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/214 "2021-08-10T04:05:42Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > …that combined with this recent incident make me frankly think this individual has a serious, disgusting and vile outlook towards women. _Ding!_ “Give that man a Kewpie doll!” ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/215 "2021-08-10T04:31:41Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > You’ll also see minimalization sometimes, where the weaker of the terms is used. It wasn’t rape, it was sexual assault. (At least to me, rape is the stronger term there.) Sexual assault is a broader term, not minimalization. Sexual assault that does not meet the legal criteria for rape can be violent and traumatizing. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/216 "2021-08-10T04:45:53Z")
He’s gay so I guess he doesnt care what they think. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/217 "2021-08-10T06:47:51Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > The mods are mostly good folks and I’ll trust their judgments. Generally, yes, I also trust their judgements on most things, but it’s clear they have a couple of blind spots. Not because they’re _not_ good folks, I know they are. But they’re not the most diverse bunch, and that affects how they see things as far as modding the whole misogyny thing goes. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/218 "2021-08-10T08:44:43Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > I’m glad he got a topic ban. But a straight-up banning would’ve been a lot more effective in sending the message that misogyny isn’t tolerated here. The latter often follows the former anyway. Especially when a significant percentage of one’s previous contributions to the board are covered by the topic ban. It’s only a matter of time. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/219 "2021-08-10T08:52:28Z")
More time he can spend on continuing making the experience of women here a hostile one - even if it’s just one more misogynistic post before his banning. What’s the value in that? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/220 "2021-08-10T18:17:57Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I know a lot of people who’d get pretty ticked off at being told that women’s sports are all “unwatchable.” Oh, so do I. But it’s a common sentiment esp. with the Olympic Games going on, thus the Overton window is shifted to the point where I wouldn’t expect it to be out of line to hear someone say women’s sports are unwatchable. In fact I did hear someone say that, right after watching the group rhythmic gymnastics finals. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/221 "2021-08-10T18:42:29Z")
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