# Chronos, this is the wrong call **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 8, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251 "2021-08-08T20:41:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/222 "2021-08-10T18:49:56Z")
Admittedly. I _may_ be way off base compared to everyone else here. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/223 "2021-08-10T18:51:06Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Admittedly. I _may_ be way off base compared to everyone else here. You might not be. The thing is, if a shitty behavior is normalized in a group, it’s kind of on group members to speak up against it and help make it not normalized. That’s how things change. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/224 "2021-08-11T00:13:28Z")
Why not just ban him from talking about women’s issues, period, rather than specify something? Because his hatred goes beyond women and sports. (If you’re not going to out and out ban him, that is) ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/225 "2021-08-11T07:29:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The thing is, if a shitty behavior is normalized in a group, it’s kind of on group members to speak up against it and help make it not normalized So you are in favor of ending the pitting of members? All the Pit is for is a chance for people to act shitty to other members. In your words, the shitty behavior has been normalized. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/226 "2021-08-11T07:32:47Z")
No, that’s not “all the Pit is for”, even ignoring the pittings of outsiders - the Pit is also a place for members to actually _point out_ shitty behaviour by members in other forums. Are you going to be raising this non-issue in _every_ unrelated ATMB thread, BTW? ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/227 "2021-08-11T07:39:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You might not be. The thing is, if a shitty behavior is normalized in a group, it’s kind of on group members to speak up against it and help make it not normalized. That’s how things change. If the majority of people agree with a viewpoint and it’s considered normal, then it’s not really objectively “shitty”, is it? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/228 "2021-08-11T07:40:58Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > If the majority of people agree with a viewpoint and it’s considered normal, then it’s not really objectively “shitty”, is it? I’d say something like, say, ripping hearts out for the gods is _objectively_ shitty even if _even the sacrifices_ think it’s normal. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/229 "2021-08-11T07:42:05Z")
> **[State of Deception: The Power of Nazi Propaganda What is Propaganda? - State...](https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/propaganda)** > > This exhibition encourages us to think about what propaganda is, how it works, and how to respond when it aims to divide people and promote violence. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/230 "2021-08-11T07:46:25Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’d say something like, say, ripping hearts out for the gods is _objectively_ shitty even if _even the sacrifices_ think it’s normal. Do they agree with having their hearts ripped out, though? That’s the difference. If they don’t, that’s very different to having an outsider show up and say “This is horrible and shitty”. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/231 "2021-08-11T07:53:05Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Do they agree with having their hearts ripped out, though? They agree with the general case of heart-ripping, even if they’re a little fuzzy on the specific case of _their_ heart. Heart-ripping on the whole is normalized. And in general, my understanding is they _went along_ with the heart-ripping in their specific case, even if they didn’t like the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/232 "2021-08-11T07:58:48Z")
My understanding is most of the sacrifices in Aztec culture were war prisoners and definitely not on board with the whole “having hearts ripped out” thing and weren’t going along with it voluntarily. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/233 "2021-08-11T08:01:09Z")
One of the main reasons they had their Flower Wars was for _both sides_ to get sacrifices. They were thus _de facto_ totally down with heart-ripping as a concept. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/234 "2021-08-11T09:39:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > They agree with the general case of heart-ripping, even if they’re a little fuzzy on the specific case of _their_ heart. Heart-ripping on the whole is normalized. And in general, my understanding is they _went along_ with the heart-ripping in their specific case, even if they didn’t like the outcome. It’s their fault for voting for the Ripping-People’s-Hearts-Out-of-Their-Chests Party. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/235 "2021-08-11T09:56:42Z")
“I didn’t think jaguars would rip _my_ heart out of my chest…” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/236 "2021-08-11T11:47:30Z")
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**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/237 "2021-08-11T11:49:46Z")
Since we have a combination of drifting too far away from the original topic of this thread plus some folks bringing unrelated issues here, this is closed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251.md?page=11)