# Chronos, this is the wrong call **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 8, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251 "2021-08-08T20:41:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/82 "2021-08-09T15:58:50Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You’re correct, but there’s a massive excluded middle in her implication, and her stats aren’t really relevant. The only way what she wrote is relevant is if she’s expecting us to say something other than anti-women sexism (aka misogyny) is behind the stat disparities she lists. It would be foolish to dismiss that possibility. Most women’s sports are a significantly different product. That bias exists does not mean it is a monocausal factor, or even the most important single factor. Likewise, someone who believes that bias is a relatively insignificant factor _in this case_ is not burdened with also believing that bias does not exist, which was your own particular contribution to excluding the middle. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/83 "2021-08-09T16:04:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Meanwhile, [an update](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-and-worst-olympic-events-to-watch/948175/39). The topic-ban is definitely a move in the right direction; thanks! But to look at posts in that thread–including Helena’s angry response to your bad ruling–and decide that the only person who needs a warning is **Helena**? Come on. That doesn’t make our board a better place, it just feels like a retaliatory warning. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/84 "2021-08-09T16:05:54Z")
That’s exactly what it feels like. We get it, she shouldn’t be arguing in thread. But to say she “asked for a warning” was a misrepresention of what she said and smacks of punishing the whistleblower. Even if you felt obligated to warn her on principle, the swipe was unnecessary. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/85 "2021-08-09T16:10:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > # [SNIP] > > Meanwhile, [an update](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-and-worst-olympic-events-to-watch/948175/39). That’s nice, but this: > [@Best and worst Olympic events to watch](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-and-worst-olympic-events-to-watch/948175/39): > > # [SNIP] > > taken by itself, it did not actually violate any rules. > > # [SNIP] Do we not have a rule against being a jerk? I would think “a clear pattern” of naked misogyny violated that rule in warnable fashion. And also, I agree with LHoD and ITD that warning **Helena** feels wrong, especially worded like that. If ever there was a time for the Millerian “No Warning Issued”, it was then. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/86 "2021-08-09T16:13:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > …I would think “a clear pattern” of naked misogyny violated that rule… I took “taken by itself” to mean that the post alone wasn’t warnable, so there’s no clear pattern _in the post itself_. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/87 "2021-08-09T16:14:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Meanwhile, [an update](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-and-worst-olympic-events-to-watch/948175/39). I honestly don’t understand this ruling. I mean, the topic ban is great and all, but no warning… because misogyny (still?) isn’t against the rules? Misogyny or not (and it’s definitely _not_ in the “or not” category here), his post was at the very LEAST threadshitting, which so far as I know _is_ against the rules. Just because casual misogyny is somehow “okay” by board rules (it shouldn’t be) does not mean that threadshitting should suddenly become okay just because it happened to involve misogyny as well. This isn’t merely narrowly enforcing the rules as written, it’s giving special exemptions to people who also happen to be misogynists because… I don’t know why, frankly. You have, in effect, narrowly enforced one rule against @helena330 for a comment provoked by a misogynistic threadshit on the one hand, but allowed an exemption to another rule for misogynists on the other. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/88 "2021-08-09T16:18:31Z")
If there’s a clear pattern, then the latest example of said pattern should be warnable if it’s bad enough to cause a topic ban. Straws, camel’s backs, etc. I get the sense that **Chronos** felt the topic ban was punishment enough, but personally, I feel every topic ban should come with an automatic warning, as well. Permanent record and all that… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/89 "2021-08-09T16:22:09Z")
Since the Mods take giving out a (formal) warning so terribly serious. I do not feel the warning for @Helena330 is in proportion to the offence. I think this is giving someone who is obviously (even you Mods acknowledged it) trolling a win. I also find the topic ban too narrow. Female athletes? Because we are all just dying to know his position on trans athletes? > [@MrDibble](#): > > then the latest example of said pattern should be warnable A topic ban is usually the last attempt to “redeem” a poster before an outright ban. You are arguing that someone get a parking fine after the judge confiscated his drivers license and his car. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/90 "2021-08-09T16:22:11Z")
I get the misogyny issue, and definitely agree. But how was it threadshitting? The question was what is the best and worst of the Olympics. He wrote that for him, the women’s sports were the worst. Its clearly misogynistic, but on point with the topic. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/91 "2021-08-09T16:23:06Z")
_Just to note:_ **dalej42** did get a warning. It was for his other even more recent and more blatant misogynistic post. > [@SI Sportsperson of the Year 2021](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/si-sportsperson-of-the-year-2021/948257/7): > > [Moderating] You know that the moderators are already discussing your toxicity with regards to female athletes, and you still think this is the right time to drop in that threadshit? That will be a Warning. Also [see this post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-and-worst-olympic-events-to-watch/948175/39). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/92 "2021-08-09T16:24:31Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > You are arguing that someone get a parking fine after the judge confiscated his drivers license and his car. No, I’m arguing that you should at least put points on the licence. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/93 "2021-08-09T16:26:12Z")
I don’t especially care whether dale gets a warning or a topic ban or a total ban, as long as the misogyny stops. I don’t want him to go away mad. And, I dunno, the warning for Helena is a bad one, but I don’t know if she even cares, so I’ve said my bit on that. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/94 "2021-08-09T16:30:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > And, I dunno, the warning for Helena is a bad one, but I don’t know if she even cares, so I’ve said my bit on that. That warning for Helena was fucking horrendous and an embarrassment. Totally tone deaf. What the fuck? Did the entire staff agree with that? ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/95 "2021-08-09T16:32:01Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > And, I dunno, the warning for Helena is a bad one, but I don’t know if she even cares, so I’ve said my bit on that. She violated a clear and explicit rule. That is a mandatory warning. You want to dispute a ruling? Here is the place to do it and no other. Just as you did. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/96 "2021-08-09T16:33:51Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > That is a mandatory warning. Since when are _any_ warnings “mandatory”? What happened to moderator discretion? > [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > You want to dispute a ruling? Here is the place to do it and no other. Do I _have_ to do a search for posters who were just mod-noted the first time they disputed a ruling outside ATMB, or can we take it as a given that this is not, in fact, true? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/97 "2021-08-09T16:38:28Z")
It was pretty cut and dry. I fully sympathize with her but she knows the rule and made her protest knowing it would get a warning. She should have done as LHOD did. Could you maybe cut us a little slack here please. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/98 "2021-08-09T16:42:54Z")
Giving (or defending) counterfactual rationales for warnings is not going to earn you any slack. Not when we’ve all posted here for years and have all seen people merely mod-noted for disputing moderation outside ATMB. It makes any talk of “ **mandatory** warnings” just look hastily _post hoc_ and, yes, retaliatory. That she did it deliberately is a factor, but so should be the inflammatory nature of the offense she was objecting to. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/99 "2021-08-09T16:43:04Z")
FWIW I thought the topic ban but no warning was a good call. And I get the warning against **Helena** too, albeit regretfully. Sorry - was that too nice for this forum? I could call **Chronos** a nogoodnik if it would help. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/100 "2021-08-09T16:44:38Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > And, I dunno, the warning for Helena is a bad one, but I don’t know if she even cares, so I’ve said my bit on that. > > She violated a clear and explicit rule. That is a mandatory warning. You want to dispute a ruling? Here is the place to do it and no other. Just as you did. This is utterly false. People dispute moderation outside without getting a Warning all the time. That is the norm. The usual moderation is a mod note saying to take it to ATMB. This is, in fact, exactly why the Warning seems targetted. She violated one rule, the one about disputing moderation, which does not normally get a Warning, and violated no other rule. It seems she was singled out. And, FYI, this is what I was going to post before. I had a longer, less confrontational version. But surely I should not have to say that moderators should be beholden to the truth. It is absolutely untrue that disputing moderation is a mandatory Warning. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/101 "2021-08-09T16:45:31Z")
I’ll reiterate what I said- I can see giving the warning, (though the mandatory part is a bit of a puzzlement). I was the petty swipe and the implication she was asking for it that pushed it over the edge. No sense of “Helena, you were right. I gotta ding you for arguing it here, though” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251.md?page=6)