# Chronos, this is the wrong call **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 8, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251 "2021-08-08T20:41:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/162 "2021-08-09T20:09:56Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Link, either of you? I don’t see one Question withdrawn. @Helena330: thank you for your post. I wish you’d stick around; though of course that’s up to you. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/163 "2021-08-09T20:10:47Z")
Not for nothing, but I read a tweet today about the things women do as a matter of course that men never have to think about. Like parking under streetlights and checking the backseat before getting in the car. It was a long list. Yes, there’s a rule against challenging a mod note. But if you want people to follow the rule, step one is not to say or do anything atrocious. The ruling in favor of dale’s post was atrocious. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/164 "2021-08-09T20:12:47Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > That’s helpful to know, but I do think it’s still categorically different than saying she was asking for it. That to me implies she was gleefully provoking it vs resigned to getting it. > > But I’ll let it drop. It was the latter. Like I said, I was really upset, and I was done with this board. But there wasn’t any way I was going to slink off without a whimper. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/165 "2021-08-09T20:15:16Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Elsewhere seems to be code for “on another message board.” That’s what I meant and I apologize for not being more clear. It’s moot now since @Helena330 posted here. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/166 "2021-08-09T20:16:38Z")
This whole thing was an unmitigated and self-inflicted clusterfuck and board staff need to think really carefully about how it all played out. And @Helena330 deserves an unqualified apology. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/167 "2021-08-09T20:17:05Z")
I was addressing what **Max\_S** was talking about. Nothing else. Literally this thread, post #2. > [@Chronos, this is the wrong call](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/2): > > Just piping in to say this is being discussed in the Modloop. Such things are generally slower on the weekend. * * * **Helena330** , I hope you do stay. We are trying to clean up the board but I’m well aware it is slower than many would like. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/168 "2021-08-09T20:20:17Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > **Helena330** , I hope you do stay. We are trying to clean up the board but I’m well aware it is slower than many would like. I will. I know you’re all working hard. This last group of mods that was added is mostly _phenomenal_. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/169 "2021-08-09T20:20:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I was addressing what **Max\_S** was talking about. Nothing else. Literally this thread, post #2. Ah, sorry. I didn’t read carefully and missed who you were replying to, and took it as an amplification of the post immediately above yours. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/170 "2021-08-09T20:24:29Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > It was very brief and completely lacks detail, but please see the 2nd post of this thread. I’m going to tag @The_Librarian as I think the suggestion was to put a banner directly on Chronos’s post, so people like **Helena330** would not feel compelled to pushback in-thread. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/171 "2021-08-09T20:35:31Z")
Interesting idea but not quite what was going on anyway. It was less about the modnote and more about a push from more than 1 mod, including **Chronos** to review Dale’s body of work. Taking in isolation, I honestly don’t think most of the mods would have modded Dale’s post. But we quickly brought up that this was just the latest in a series of clearly misogynistic posts. That got everything going, but generally we trying to go for a consensus ruling on things like this and at least 7 votes in favor out of 11 mods. This can be a slow process on a Tuesday, a lot slower on the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/172 "2021-08-09T20:41:47Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > To be honest in a bro conversation a homo joke would not be out of place WTF? Maybe my bros are more enlightened. We do not make “homo” jokes, and I would shoot anyone down who made one in my presence. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/173 "2021-08-09T20:42:54Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > WTF? Maybe my bros are more enlightened. We do not make “homo” jokes, and I would shoot anyone down who made one in my presence. For real. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/174 "2021-08-09T20:43:30Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m not sure anyone is taking the mandatory warning thing seriously; I do think that was silly but I think it was Hari miscommunicating. **What\_Exit** certainly initially did, since he supported it until shown the receipts. So no, I think this is clearly not just miscommunicating. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > looking at the specific passage she got warned for: > > > [snip…] **yet dalej’s behavior is fine** while mine isn’t I’ve highlighted the important bit to me - why she reacted as she did. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I think made it clear she knew she was breaking the rules and was doing so deliberately to make a statement. No-one is in doubt that she knew what she was doing. That doesn’t mean magnanimity wasn’t warranted, especially after it was decided that dale later _did_ deserve sanction. That’s restorative justice, really. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/175 "2021-08-09T20:52:21Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Um, Wut? > [@cochrane](#): > > We do not make “homo” jokes, and I would shoot anyone down who made one in my presence. Well, I admit my sense of humor isn’t exactly polite. Sorry if that bit offended anyone. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/176 "2021-08-09T20:52:33Z")
Nailed it. But whatever, it’s like talking to a wall and pounding one’s head against it at the same time when it comes to this topic. At least with the wall you have an unending ache to show for your efforts. Here it’s just a lot of excuses and bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/177 "2021-08-09T20:57:47Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Taking in isolation, I honestly don’t think most of the mods would have modded Dale’s post. And that’s problematic. It was worth modding (and hard), just by itself. That most of the mods don’t see that is why the modding around misogyny has not really lived up to the high-minded promises that were made. Things have improved, certainly, but only by millimetres. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/178 "2021-08-09T20:58:02Z")
Take a close look at what happened to the women who reacted strongly here. Long before anything happened to the offender. And without the slightest discussion. Repeatedly told they need to speak up, show us the misogyny. When women react though, it’s a different thing. You can’t have it both ways. How can you see Chronos response to Helena, and not see a man, uncomfortable with being challenged, finding a women to point a finger at? Beyond repugnant. And no one dissented? Thanks for the heads up! ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/179 "2021-08-09T21:01:45Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > And that’s problematic. It was worth modding (and hard), just by itself. Do you think we should have an explicit rule against sexism in the game room? I mean, sexism is rampant among fans of sports and other kinds of games. So it isn’t really intuitive that a sexist view is jerkish. On the other hand I don’t see much value added by allowing overt sexism in that particular category. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/180 "2021-08-09T21:04:01Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Well, I admit my sense of humor isn’t exactly polite. Sorry if that bit offended anyone. I don’t belch in public being doing so would be impolite. I don’t tell “homo jokes” with my “bros” because I’m not homophobic and joking about it lends support to those who are. Politeness has nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251/181 "2021-08-09T21:04:15Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Sorry if that bit offended anyone. As a heads up: that’s not a really good apology style. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-this-is-the-wrong-call/948251.md?page=10)