# Chumpsky Is Blind **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2002, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226 "2002-12-08T00:25:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/81 "2002-12-09T12:41:56Z")
I still think we oughtta go with the cactus option. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/82 "2002-12-09T12:43:24Z")
\>\> Calling someone a liar _is_ an ad hominem attack in my book. I agree. It is a _stupid_ rule that allows it. Either insults are allowed or they are not but allowing only some is just stupid. “Liar” is definitely always a worse insult than “waste of breath”. And, in any case, making a nuisance in a thread by just insulting everybody in sight and contributing nothing is a clear violation of the “Don’t be a jerk” rule. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/83 "2002-12-09T15:39:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\*\>\> Calling someone a liar _is_ an ad hominem attack in my book. > > I agree. It is a _stupid_ rule that allows it. Either insults are allowed or they are not but allowing only some is just stupid. “Liar” is definitely always a worse insult than “waste of breath”. And, in any case, making a nuisance in a thread by just insulting everybody in sight and contributing nothing is a clear violation of the “Don’t be a jerk” rule. \*\* Actually, I disagree, to this extent. It is appropriate and acceptable to label someone a liar in GD if: 1. One can demonstrate that a poster has posted an untruth; AND 2. One can demonstrate that a poster knew he/she was posting an untruth. About the only evidence that someone is lying I think is feasible in the context of a message board, is where the poster’s own citation directly contradicts them and/or where the poster omits words from a quotation that change the meaning of the quote. I confess, I’ve called **Chumpsky** a liar in GD. In that instance, **Chumpsky** asserted that Ambassador Glaspie had given Iraq permission to invade Kuwait. **Chumpsky** provided a linked article. In the article, Tarik Aziz, Vice-Premier of Iraq, was quoted as denying that Glaspie had given Iraq permission. I called him on it, and I believe I was justified. Was I? [Here’s the link.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=144828&perpage=50&highlight=Glaspie%20OR%20ambassador%20OR%20April&pagenumber=3) ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/84 "2002-12-09T16:37:27Z")
Well, I think it’s kind of like the old rule about calling someone drunk in Parliament–just not done, old boy. I always felt that “confused on the facts” or even “deliberately misrepresentative” was GD material, whereas “liar” would be reserved for the BBQ pit. After all, you wouldn’t hear presidential candidates calling their opponents “liars” in a face-to-face debate (akin to GD) but you might hear it in some of their nastier political ads (BBQ Pit). That might just be my view, however. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/85 "2002-12-09T16:41:49Z")
Chumpski was calling liars everybody left and right as insult, not in any way asserting what we said was not true. I said I have been to Cuba and he called me a liar. How on earth would he know whether I have been to Cuba or not? He was just beeing an offensive asshole and if that is permitted by the rules then the rules should be changed. ---
**Author:** ![Avumede](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/avumede/32/7235_2.png) [@Avumede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avumede)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/86 "2002-12-09T19:03:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doghouse Reilly \* > Just his linguistics stuff, or his political stuff too? The political stuff as well. It’s quite impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/87 "2002-12-09T23:31:41Z")
This just in: **Chumpsky** is so stupid, he puts [faith](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2692677#post2692677post2692677) in the words of Stalin. “I don’t think Germany was better off as a divided nation, as opposed to a united, un-aligned nation as the Soviets proposed. I don’t think any of these nations were better off by the maintainence of the capitalist hierarchy.” ---
**Author:** ![Blackeyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f6c823/32.png) [@Blackeyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackeyes)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/88 "2002-12-10T01:59:38Z")
See, what’d I say about Daoloth? The guy cites well. It’s one of his things. I say give him a medal. Hiccup ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/89 "2002-12-10T02:00:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blackeyes \* > \*\*See, what’d I say about Daoloth? The guy cites well. It’s one of his things. I say give him a medal. > > Hiccup \*\* Shh. It’s not like I’m **Duck Duck Goose.** ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chumpsky-is-blind/141226/90 "2002-12-12T05:20:25Z")
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