I am not that conservative myself and I think the claims are bullshit at least in the magnitude stated. I wouldn’t put anything past Russia but they didn’t interfere with the actual election results because there is no way to do that.
It is pathetic to hear Democrats/liberals make vague claims with no way to back it up. All of the ones they have made so far are bordering on conspiracy theories. Where is the idea that “truth has a liberal bias” if people are just making up claims with no evidence?
WaPo: maybe no emails were published from RNC because no emails were stolen from them?
U.S. officials said the Republican National Committee’s computer systems were also probed and possibly penetrated by hackers tied to Russian intelligence services, but that it remains unclear how much material — if any — was taken from the RNC.
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Other officials familiar with the CIA’s assessment said there is “high confidence” that the RNC was targeted but less certainty that the Russians got inside the committee and stole material.
Just considering publicly witnessed and reported items, and things stated by donald, about his relationship with Russia, Putin, industries critical to Russia, appointments contemplated, and CIA vs FBI credibility, sensible people don’t want Trump to be influencing government at all, just on the issue of superpower relations. This is only a fraction of his unfitness sadly.
Did you vote for Trump? Whether you did or not, why do you think Putin is so enthusiastic about a Trump administration? Because donald’s so tough? Because he’s so canny and poker faced in his public statements?
Are you going to say “What does that matter if there is no proof of…” Maybe even “He’s duly elected and a citizen and this is just a viola…” Sorry no safe space for pres elect don the con. There is something called “appearances” which we are leaving lying dying by the side of the road.
Anyway, I’m still going to be asking until he’s not in office anymore.
I did not vote for Trump. I voted for Gary Johnson because I am a true, moderate libertarian. Trump is the opposite of that aside from being a possibly insane egomaniac in general. Still, I am confident that he was duly elected. Many of my friends and family members voted for him for their own reasons that I may never understand but that is the way democratic republics work.
I don’t really care about him at all. I just want the United States to be as successful as it can be. I am willing to give him a chance to see if he can do something good. He has been full of surprises so far. I am not willing to show recreational outrage before he has even taken office.
I have no problem accepting that Hillary Clinton lost the election on her own AND that the Russians did bad things.
After all, George McGovern was a terrible candidate in 1972, but that didn’t stop Republican operatives from breaking into Democratic National Headquarters.
Well it doesn’t sound like you aren’t supporting trump. You basically gave him a vote and you profess to want to watch to see whatever he does next in the interest of “giving him a chance”. He’s been right up front with his intentions and practices. Have you been watching that?
maybe the Gary Johnson vote says something.
And ***why do you think Putin is so enthusiastic about a Trump administration? ***
Maybe a clue from an old comment on the — leftwing — Ted Rall site: In fact, Hillary intended regime change in Syria and Russia. Her advisors all told her that the Soviet military collapsed with the USSR, and regime change in Russia would be easier than regime change in Libya. As soon as she threatened war, Putin would resign, along with the rest of the Russian government, knowing that refusal would mean the obliteration of Russia. If Putin was too stupid to see that, an EMP attack would totally disable all Russian missiles, and if a few managed to launch, the US ABM system would ensure that no American was in the slightest danger (except for the traitor Snowden). Why Trump Won
A lot of people, both left and right all around the world were terrified of a Hillary victory. Most Americans probably weren’t; and if Hillary lovers, no doubt would have preferred Russia turned to glass to a Trump victory.
It is dead simple. They are brothers from a different mother and only they can speak their their peculiar type of language. Putin is a lot smarter than Trump and knows that he can manipulate him (and he is probably right). That may not be a terrible thing. I am a child of the Cold War and did not appreciate hearing that I was going to die in a nuclear apocalypse before the school day even started when I was growing up. Obama has his strengths but he has been terrible with Russian foreign policy and Hillary Clinton would be even worse.
I don’t care which one has to give the other a hummer in the men’s room of the Kremlin as long as they normalize relations again. That situation is way too dangerous for anyone to play around with. If Trump has to take one for the team, then that is very virtuous.
There are some very different questions here. I don’t believe that Russia even tried to interfere with vote taking software in America, there are too many separate systems written in different formats. I could easily see them probing to find out, but not proceeding.
Handing the DNC hack to Wikileaks didn’t appear to have any bombshells but it emphasized the aggravation within the DNC with Bernie. Which had the effect of ticking off Bernie people in a big league way. Which would, of course, make any potential effort to heal the divide and unify the party that much more difficult. Got a nickel says there’s a guy in Moscow right now throwing down a shot of vodka and saying that was the plan all along. Was it? Dunno. But Russians don’t take a data dump, son, without a plan
But it wasn’t an accident, we can be reasonably sure of that. It would still be a problem requiring serious attention if Hillary were President-Elect. Pretty sure she would be pressing for attention and action.
Did the Russians have motivation to want Trump to be President? Yeah, money, and lots of it. Their big oil deals got squashed, they want them back.
Did Trump know, was he complicit? Not just no, hell, no! A KGB veteran gonna trust a motormouth dipshit? Trust him with the secret plot? Not a chance.
Now that remains a sketch, details to be filled in as they are released. I am confident that this outline is mostly correct, it fits the facts.
Agree, 100%. Thing is, if what you said is true, there is no “there” there. Yes, everyone agrees DNC and Podesta emails were hacked and publicized. Those computer systems need to be strengthened and protected - but those are not government systems, and government has nothing to do with running them.
But Russians didn’t write those emails, did they? And of course Russians want to “influence” US elections. Can you fault them? Americans wants to “influence” Russian (and other countries’, Israel comes to mind) elections as well and spend a lot of $ trying. Usually more overtly than hacking, though who knows.
With Democrats practically resurrecting the ghost of McCarthy in their shortsighted political tactics today, I can’t even blame the Russians (whether government or individuals) too much for not wanting them in power for the next four years.
If you think they like Trump because they’re bro’s I got some farmland in Siberia for you. Those two being close is not going to make your world safer.
The thing about blow jobs: Are you serious? Even as a joke I don’t get it.
You did get it. There isn’t much more too it than that. Putin likes Trump and vice-versa. Russian-US relations have been deteriorating for a number of years now and that is not a good thing. Anything to make that better is a net positive because the possibility of a nuclear exchange or even a new Cold War are dire.
Like I said, I am not a Trump supporter but Obama was terrible at Russian relations and Hillary Clinton would be more likely to get us in a major conflict than anyone else. I am trying to look at the silver lining here. If Russia and the U.S. coordinated their efforts, they could take out Syria and wipe out ISIS strongholds in a matter of days. I am not sure if that is the right course of action but it is better than having two very strong rivals with very different goals competing in the same region with pointless shows of dickmanship like close fly-by’s of U.S. military ships. You can start a very real international incident or even a full-scale war with that type of causal provocation.