# CIA Behind September 11? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 30, 2002, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569 "2002-04-30T22:28:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2002, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/1 "2002-04-30T22:28:31Z")
Did our own government have anything to do with the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? This website makes a pretty good case for it. [www.warontyranny.com/conspiracy/](http://www.warontyranny.com/conspiracy/)[Conspiracy Theory 101](http://www.warontyranny.com/conspiracy/) ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2002, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/2 "2002-04-30T22:46:12Z")
Don’t you conspiracy theorists ever get tired of believing _everything_? ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/3 "2002-05-01T00:03:33Z")
I’m not sure what to believe. Seems like there’s more evidence to implicate the CIA than there is “Islamic Terrorists”. ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/4 "2002-05-01T00:03:43Z")
No. It does not make a good case for it. It does however make a good case that the people who make these sites are a bunch of losers with no life and nothing better to do. Just read a bit more… that site has links to other sites that try their best to look legit but ramble far worse than most of my posts… and thats really saying something. ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/5 "2002-05-01T00:09:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bernse \* > \*\* > Just read a bit more… that site has links to other sites that try their best to look legit but ramble far worse than most of my posts… and thats really saying something. \*\* Maybe it’s an attention-span thing; maybe it’s just a little over your head. People often reject things they don’t understand as being “illegitimate” somehow. ---
**Author:** ![stankow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@stankow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stankow)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/6 "2002-05-01T00:12:56Z")
Thaaaat’s right, leigh. Anyone who disagrees with your is simply incapable of understanding things that your amazing brainpower deals with quite easily. Grow up. ---
**Author:** ![LolaBaby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d2c977/32.png) [@LolaBaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaBaby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/7 "2002-05-01T00:17:31Z")
That site is wrong, the plot was actually masterminded by Elvis. ---
**Author:** ![Ringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@Ringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ringo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/8 "2002-05-01T00:24:37Z")
Big Oil speakin’ here - we had nuttin’ to do wid it. ---
**Author:** ![Khadro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Khadro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadro)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/9 "2002-05-01T00:26:56Z")
> [@](#): > > **Test your skills** > Conspiracy Theory Concentration: The Game Does this not just scream legitimate to you? I thought so too 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/10 "2002-05-01T00:30:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Did our own government have anything to do with the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? This website makes a pretty good case for it. This statement appears to be false. During my (admittedly cursory) viewing of the referenced web site, I did not see any statements claiming that the CIA had anything to do with the Sept. 11 attacks (aside from their complete failure to anticipate them, of course). ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/11 "2002-05-01T00:34:43Z")
I got a chuckle out of this (from the link in the OP): > [@](#): > > Li Ka-shing is a Chinese billionaire with ties to the People’s Liberation Army. He also owns the Panama Canal. Now, he’s buying Global Crossing, putting both a vital waterway and our telecommunications into the hands of the Chinese. One man owns the Panama Canal? Anyone else heard this? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/12 "2002-05-01T00:35:46Z")
D’uh! It wasn’t the CIA! It was the Illuminati! People, get a clue! ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/13 "2002-05-01T00:42:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*D’uh! It wasn’t the CIA! It was the Illuminati! People, get a clue! \*\* The Illuminati is _sooooo_ last week. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/14 "2002-05-01T00:53:16Z")
You’re all wrong. It was clearly perpetrated by the people that live inside the hollow “inner Earth.” -JanL ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/15 "2002-05-01T00:56:50Z")
The truth is that the Minions of Eris lost a bet to the Society of C’thulhu back in March of last year. Suffice it to say that future leaders (hah!) of MoE will not engage in high-ante poker at The Club anymore. The CIA, controlled by the G of Z, had nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/16 "2002-05-01T01:17:24Z")
> [@](#): > > One man owns the Panama Canal? Anyone else heard this? Nah. Li Ka Shing is evidently a real person–he’s a Chinese tycoon/billionaire, with a foundation. [http://www.lksf.org/eng/about/foundation/index.shtml](http://www.lksf.org/eng/about/foundation/index.shtml) He does not “own” the Panama Canal, he merely runs the port facilities. [http://www.businessweek.com/2001/01\_02/b3714029.htm](http://www.businessweek.com/2001/01_02/b3714029.htm) > [@](#): > > His conglomerate, Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. (HUWHY), is the world’s largest independent port operator, with facilities everywhere from China to Panama to Britain. Here’s the apparent origin of the association of Li Ka-Shing with conspiracy theorists, back in 1999. [http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/panama.canal/stories/operation/](http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/panama.canal/stories/operation/) > [@](#): > > The transfer alarms U.S. conservatives who fear that the canal – which handles more than 15 percent of U.S. imports and exports and cuts sailing time from New York to San Francisco by two weeks – could soon come under the influence of unfriendly nations or succumb to regional unrest. > > They are particularly concerned that Panama awarded contracts to a subsidiary of a Hong Kong-based conglomerate to manage two ports at either end of the canal, as well as gave the company an option to develop a former U.S naval station at Rodman Point, near the Pacific port of Balboa. > > “That contract will lead, without doubt, eventually to the domination of Panama and the Panama Canal by Beijing. And Beijing is not a friend of the United States of America,” charged California Rep. Dana Rohrabacher in an October hearing by the Senate Armed Services Committee on the security of the canal. “Inscrutable Oriental tycoon is taking over the whole world! And bringing his slant-eyed Beijing friends with him!” :eek: [http://judicialwatch.org/printer\_1317.shtml](http://judicialwatch.org/printer_1317.shtml) > [@](#): > > …Careful examination of the Chinese tycoon’s growing empire and his cozy relationship with the Communist Chinese government reveals the potential for an insidious manipulation of Western ports, markets, utilities and telecommunications that could apply crippling pressure to the United States and her few remaining allies. > > \< snip \> > > The frightening story begins in 1979, when Li Ka-shing purchased what became the controlling interest in one of the oldest, 19th century British trading houses, or “hongs” of Hong Kong, known as Hutchison-Whampoa… > > \< snip \> > > …Then there is the arguably largest “public works” project in the world – the Panama Canal. Under the terms of the Carter-Torrijos Treaty of 1977, the United States was due to relinquish control of the canal and associated port facilities in a time-phased process culminating in a complete turn over to the Panamanian government on Dec. 31, 1999. In 1996, the Panamanian government of President Ernesto Balladares opened bidding on the port terminal concessions at both the Atlantic and Pacific entrances of the canal. Under bidding practices and circumstances that were reportedly fraudulent, HW won the bidding. HW subsidiaries Hutchison Port Holdings and the Panama Ports Company now effectively control the Panama Canal. So, he “controls” the Panama Canal in the sense that his company collects the tolls and pushes the buttons that open the locks that allow boats to lock through. Do you think he could refuse to let, say, a Liberian container ship full of rubber flipflops go through the Canal and thereby bring the United States, and her “few remaining allies”, to their knees? Me neither. Hey, pass the dip, this Conspiracy Theory party is fun. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/17 "2002-05-01T01:48:18Z")
The CIA could not possibly be behind the September 11th attacks, as they were way too busy trying to kill **kathaksung**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CLedet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b487fb/32.png) [@CLedet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CLedet)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/18 "2002-05-01T02:07:20Z")
More proof that Cecils job may never end. As far as the Panama Canal, don’t even think for one second that the U.S. wouldn’t waste any time kicking the crap out of anyone who denies us passage. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/19 "2002-05-01T03:04:58Z")
When it comes to the Panama Canal, be advised that a tin-foil hat can act as a flotation device… ---
**Author:** ![Ringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@Ringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ringo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/20 "2002-05-01T03:21:38Z")
What’s your evidence, Leigh? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569.md?page=2)