# CIA Behind September 11? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 30, 2002, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569 "2002-04-30T22:28:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/21 "2002-05-01T06:03:11Z")
Visit [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/investigation\_24.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/investigation_24.html) for a hijacker timeline from the Washington Post. Click where it says “View the timeline”. It starts in April, 1999. You’ll notice there’s not too much action. Down at the bottom you can click on the years 2000 and 2001. You’ll notice the real action starts around May and June, 2001. You’ll notice, too, that pretty much all of the action is centered in Florida. Where was Jeb? After you look at the timeline, check out these articles: Here’s an article from CNN in July where Bush is calling for relaxed immigration rules [http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/10/bush.newyork/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/10/bush.newyork/index.html) and here’s a BBC story from back in November US Agents Told: Back off Bin Ladens [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0111/07/world/world100.html](http://www.smh.com.au/news/0111/07/world/world100.html) You’ll remember that during the summer of 2001, while all this was going on, as well as the energy meetings, the media had the nations interest captivated with the sagas of Robert Blake and Gary Condit. Now, consider The Carlyle Group’s association with the Pentagon. 10th largest defense contractor. > **[Management](https://www.govexec.com/management/)** > > News and analysis about running federal operations Also supplies Boeing, Lockheed, and owns a division of Northrop-Grumman [http://www.northgrum.com/news/news\_releases/0700-111\_Carlyle\_close.html](http://www.northgrum.com/news/news_releases/0700-111_Carlyle_close.html) When you’re talking about 3 trillion dollar defense budgets, look how much of that is going into the Carlyle (Bush) pot? > **[Meet the Carlyle Group ~ World Leaders and Washington Insiders Making...](http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html)** There’s for starters. But that won’t mean much to apologists. ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/22 "2002-05-01T06:13:42Z")
Oops, the one I posted doesn’t work. Here’s an article from the UK’s Guardian from the same time FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated Officials told to ‘back off’ on Saudis before September 11 > **[FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/07/afghanistan.september11)** > > FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11. ---
**Author:** ![heresiarch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@heresiarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heresiarch)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/23 "2002-05-01T06:17:11Z")
The aliens that send me telepathic messages wanted me to tell you that they had **nothing** to do with it. Please note that these are the relatively benign _green_ aliens - they would not vouch for the Reptilians. ---
**Author:** ![Juan3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Juan3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juan3)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/24 "2002-05-01T06:49:00Z")
The only question I have is: WHERE WAS BERT? ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/25 "2002-05-01T15:26:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by heresiarch \* > \*\*The aliens that send me telepathic messages wanted me to tell you that they had **nothing** to do with it. > > Please note that these are the relatively benign _green_ aliens - they would not vouch for the Reptilians. \*\* It’s not the Reptilians I’m worried about, it’s the Republicans. [![](http://www.hereinreality.com/chinabush.jpg) ](http://www.hereinreality.com/chinabush.jpg) President George Bush, Siva Yam, President of Us-China Chamber of Commerce and Prescott Bush, Chairman United States of America - China Chamber of Commerce website [http://www.usccc.org/Current/mem-b.htm](http://www.usccc.org/Current/mem-b.htm) More Republican fun [http://www.hereinreality.com/nixon.html](http://www.hereinreality.com/nixon.html) _fixed link - **DrMatrix** _ ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/26 "2002-05-01T15:51:05Z")
You’re ALL wrong—it was a well-planned mass suicide. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/27 "2002-05-01T15:52:41Z")
You guys are only meesing around the edges. [Lets go through the looking glass](http://www.projectfreedom.freeola.com/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/28 "2002-05-01T15:56:59Z")
How can you people be so dense? There were numerous personal photos and documents that relate to JFK which were destroyed with the WTC. It is sooooooo obvious that the perps of the WTC collapse are the same people who assisinated Kennady and gave us the SBT (single bullet theory). Since so many people “accept” the SBT, why not convice them that ObL brought down the twin towers. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go and re-foil. ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/29 "2002-05-01T16:23:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by adam yax \* > \*\*How can you people be so dense? There were numerous personal photos and documents that relate to JFK which were destroyed with the WTC. It is sooooooo obvious that the perps of the WTC collapse are the same people who assisinated Kennady and gave us the SBT (single bullet theory). \*\* As a matter of fact, here’s an article about George Bush Sr.'s connection with the Kennedy Assasination [http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html](http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html) ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/30 "2002-05-01T16:34:18Z")
leighanimate, let’s go back a few posts of yours, if we may. Are you…and please stop me…somehow implicating Robert Blake and Gary Condit as being a sort of smoke screen for the attacks? Because I’m finding it difficult to discern your ACTUAL posts from all the joke conspiracy posts in this thread. Frightening. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/31 "2002-05-01T16:38:54Z")
So, let’s take a couple of these points objetively… - Bush backs off immigration rules, July, 2001 Yesss. Worse still, there are indications that evil Bush the Younger was contemplating such a thing even earlier than that. The man was even so obvious as to make it one of the _issues in his Presidential campaign_. (cue oboe music here) The fact that this article is from July, 2001, and the Islamic terrorists who didn’t do the attack as Islamic terrorists but did do it as CIA terrorists had already entered the U.S. long before that under the oh-so-stringent immigration rules already extant is apparently not relevant to this dangling participle. - Back off the bin Ladens/WAMY Of course, there could be many other reasons why investigation was halted along these venues. The United Nations could have been behind it, or liberal Hollywood. Or, it is possible that such investigations were blown, and covering documentation was leaked to show that the investigations were halted. Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the investigations had run into dead ends and were no longer producing any valuable information. Nobody knows what happens behind the curtain, but that won’t prevent us from speculating. - Bush is in cahoots with Osama! Yes, it’s amazing how all the worlds’ multi-millionaires can be associated with one another. Perhaps it’s part of the vast conspiracy. After all, they have all the money, and when you have megabucks and want to make more megabucks, you don’t diversify your partnerships with other filthy rich people. Instead, you lend a couple 'a mil to some average joe who has managed to subvert the laws of thermodynamics in the comfort of his own tool shed. The Rockefellers just invested thirty million with me in order to bring toy surprises back to the cereal market. Some of them will be whistles that put children in a hypnotic state… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/32 "2002-05-01T16:40:08Z")
Oh for the love of CHEESE!!! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/33 "2002-05-01T17:12:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*leighanimate, let’s go back a few posts of yours, if we may. Are you…and please stop me…somehow implicating Robert Blake and Gary Condit as being a sort of smoke screen for the attacks? Because I’m finding it difficult to discern your ACTUAL posts from all the joke conspiracy posts in this thread. > > Frightening. \*\* I think Condit was. In my wildest conspiracy theory, these cabal thugs killed Shandra Levy to set Condit up for the media circus of last summer that would obscure all other news items. Remember, Iran-Contra was a “kook conspiracy theory” at one time. Here’s a refresher, a 5-minute Real Player video: [http://www.freespeech.org/ramfiles/irancontra.ram](http://www.freespeech.org/ramfiles/irancontra.ram) It turned out to be absolutely real, although almost nobody suffered consequences, because Bush, Sr. pardoned most of them before they had to go to trial. [http://www.salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/02/27/pardons/](http://www.salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/02/27/pardons/) It kept a lot of evidence from being presented. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/34 "2002-05-01T17:14:52Z")
leighanimate, I too would like to know if you were just joking with your previous posts. I hate to not get a joke, but I couldn’t find anything in your posts hinting that they were tongue-in-cheek. ---
**Author:** ![Jenner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@Jenner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenner)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/35 "2002-05-01T17:22:33Z")
Anybody want to address the question seriously? I know the SDMB has little tolerance for crackpot conspiracy theories, but I thought it was due to lack of evidence, not scorn for unpopular ideas. The purpose of the Straight Dope is, as I understand it, to fight ignorance, and I fail to see how merely making fun of **leighanimate** accomplishes this. -DP ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/36 "2002-05-01T17:24:07Z")
:: backs away slowly from the thread, smiling calmly :: ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/37 "2002-05-01T17:52:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CurtC \* > \*\*leighanimate, I too would like to know if you were just joking with your previous posts. I hate to not get a joke, but I couldn’t find anything in your posts hinting that they were tongue-in-cheek. \*\* Although I claim to have a sense of humor, this is one instance in which I can find nothing to joke about. These are very serious issues to me. It took me a good long time to accept it myself, even as distrustful as I am in “the system”. Then I found out about The Carlyle Group, and thought back to Iran-Contra, then I learned the extent of the relationship between the Bushes and the Bin Ladens, and the whole thing just stinks. My dad sat me down in 1980, during the election, and lined me out on why we didn’t want a CIA man to be president. None of this is funny, I’m not joking about anything. In all honesty I hope I’m wrong. I hope the whole thing is just crazy-talk. But I’ve been watching the Bushes since I was a kid, and to me this all seems par for the course. ---
**Author:** ![leighanimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ccd318/32.png) [@leighanimate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leighanimate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/38 "2002-05-01T17:54:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*to Devilman Palmer \* > \*\*Anybody want to address the question seriously? I wonder why they call you “Devilman”? ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/39 "2002-05-01T18:00:06Z")
I have a serious question, since I can’t really successfully wade through all the stuff you’ve provided for us to read. Why would they do it? What’s to be gained from killing that many American citizens, causing the economy to go on a roller coaster, that’s extended this far from the fact (the NYSE took a huge dive after that explosion in New York last week, people are on eggshells with their money)? I don’t even think oil would be that important. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569/40 "2002-05-01T18:36:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*I don’t even think oil would be that important. \*\* Not oil. Pepsi. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cia-behind-september-11/106569.md?page=3)