# Cider. Explain.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cider-explain/852571>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [April 25, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cider-explain/852571 "2020-04-25T23:16:47Z")\
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**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cider-explain/852571/41 "2020-04-26T15:42:14Z")

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puzzlegal:

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> In Jewish ritual, there is no distinction between grape juice and wine. They are both “fruit of the vine”.

Actually, there are some contexts (notably, the four cups on Passover night) in which there is a specific preference for wine over grape juice, though even then, one can fulfill the obligation with grape juice if for whatever reason they can’t use wine.

I’d also wager that when there was sacrificial service in the Holy Temple, grape juice would not have been acceptable for the libation offerings, but I’m not looking that up right now.

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**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cider-explain/852571/42 "2020-04-26T16:21:57Z")

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> [@cmkeller](#):
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> puzzlegal:
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> Actually, there are some contexts (notably, the four cups on Passover night) in which there is a specific preference for wine over grape juice, though even then, one can fulfill the obligation with grape juice if for whatever reason they can’t use wine.
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> I’d also wager that when there was sacrificial service in the Holy Temple, grape juice would not have been acceptable for the libation offerings, but I’m not looking that up right now.

You absolutely must have wine to give to the baby after a bris. The mohel will be very unhappy if you show up with grape juice.

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**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cider-explain/852571/43 "2020-04-26T19:26:49Z")

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Another good example.

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**Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cider-explain/852571/44 "2020-04-26T23:03:22Z")

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> [@Ulfreida](#):
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> I started digging hard cider when I moved to New England where there are a lot of small cider-apple orchards and artisan cider makers. The cider press is a somewhat familiar object out here in rural New England yet.
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> I planted some hard-cider varieties of apples last year along with the eating apples.
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> Did you all know that’s what Johnny Appleseed was planting? Cider apples for alcoholic cider. Yep. Not part of the grammar school story that I heard.

The Lord is good to me, and so I thank the Lord,  
For giving me the things I need,  
The sun, the rain, and the appleseed,  
The Lord is good to me!

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