# Cigarette assholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2000, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808 "2000-10-13T17:08:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Strider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Strider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strider)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2000, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/121 "2000-10-31T10:34:29Z")
grrrrr… -N ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2000, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/122 "2000-10-31T11:59:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Strider \* > …Now I remember where I left my “Guide to Strider’s brain,” I left it at MadHatter’s house. Can I have it back? **(That was pretty funny, unlike your other ranting.)** > > > [@](#): > > > > ‘There **(Their)** brain is not being held hostage by nicotine’. > > _**(Calling all spellchecks!)**_ > > I realise that this detrious **(detritus?)** is clogging our sewer systems, polluting our rivers and oceans, creating an eye-sore for the anal retentive **(bite me, asshole!)**, and is just bad, M’kay? But also realise that most smokers DO NOT GIVE A FUCK! This is in no way related to nicotine on the brain or any other stupid argument. It is simply apathy. **(Garsh, you mean the same sort of apathy that allows a person to all too often become hopelessly addicted to a destructive habit?)** Can you understand that? **(Can you?)** Now fuck off! **(Gee, there’s an echo in here.)** Just thought I’d throw some gasoline on the fire… ---
**Author:** ![zwaldd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a9adbd/32.png) [@zwaldd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zwaldd)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2000, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/123 "2000-10-31T15:22:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Het zwaldd, you know what you can do? Go suck on a big fat donkey dick, you asshole. You can take your little “brainwashed” idea and stick it up your ass awwww, did i upset you strider? don’t worry, i’m sure you have valid opinions about other stuff, just not on this particular subject. ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2000, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/124 "2000-10-31T15:25:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > \*\*And frankly, I didn’t know that smokers in the SDMB would be butt-tossers, before I read this thread. I really expected the intelligent, articulate smokers on SDMB to NOT be the types that would have such an inconsiderate habit of tossing butts. \*\* And some of them are even moderators! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Strider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Strider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strider)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2000, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/125 "2000-11-01T00:26:14Z")
Zen: First. Yah I know, I shouldnt throgh stones at otter peoples for there spelleng when I am not pruf reeding as mooch as I shoold. But give me some credit. I had very few mis-spellings for such a long post. Second. What the hell was the point of your post? I threw in that little tidbit about anal people on purpose. I figured, for such a long post, I can allow myself one fallacy just for fun. But the rest of your post confuses me. Besides telling me to fuck off at the end, which I could care less about, all you did was comment on how smoker’s apathy causes them to become addicted to cigs. Personally this does not apply to me. I smoke because I enjoy it, not because I am addicted. And don’t mis-understand, I know that I am addicted to nicotine, I feel it whenever I don’t feel like having a cig but my body is calling. I try to resist as much as I can. I smoke for the pleasure, not for the addiction. As I said above, I like the taste, the smell, the feel, etc… I suppose I will need to quit one day, not because I think it is a disgusting habit (which I don’t) but because it is rotting my lungs. I wish I didn’t though. Some people like fish, calamari, and peas, I like cigs. And finally, to zwaldd: Suck my dick. Obviously you are only trying to start a fight and piss me off and I won’t let you. So go screw a sloth or something and I’ll leave it at that. Or better yet, meet up with that dickhead in the Penis thread, you two are made for each other. Your stupidity and childishness (sp?) truly shows at this momment. -N ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2000, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/126 "2000-11-01T03:48:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Montfort \* > \*\*And some of them are even moderators! :rolleyes: \*\* Geez, bring it up in yet another thread, whydontcha. Yeah, criticize me all you want for having the balls to admit a venial sin. And keep listening to your copyrighted MP3s and enjoying your pirated software. Save your :rolleyes: for someone who is actually convinced that you have superior moral standards, Monty. ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2000, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/127 "2000-11-01T04:41:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alphagene \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Montfort \* > > \*\*And some of them are even moderators! :rolleyes: \*\* > > Geez, bring it up in yet another thread, whydontcha.\*\* Actually, in case you’ve forgotten, this is the same thread this started in. I don’t have a horse, and even if I did, it’s certainly not a moral high horse. Feel free to start a thread flaming people for supposed moral sins – if I’m accused of one, I’ll reply and either defend myself or admit fault. I know that if I were a smoker and threw my butts on sidewalks, I’d be admitting fault and doing my best to rectify it. ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2000, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/128 "2000-11-01T06:29:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Montfort \* > \*\*Actually, in case you’ve forgotten, this is the same thread this started in. \*\* Yeah but you came out of nowhere to accuse me of backing down nicely here in a completely unrelated thread. And then follow up soon after by reminding everyone here I’m a litterbug back in this thread. Beg pardon, but I thought that a little odd. > [@](#): > > I know that if I were a smoker and threw my butts on sidewalks, I’d be admitting fault and doing my best to rectify it. : pats Monty on the head : Good for you. Here’s your merit badge. Now, **I** know that if I were someone who committed occasional minor sins (see my previous list) in my day-to-day life (IOW, if I were a human being), I’d admit to myself that I am really no better than someone who occasionally flicks ciggiebutts on the sidewalk and I’d actually be a hypocrite to be overly critical of ciggie-flickers. This has been my point this whole time and I haven’t backed down from it or “shut up” about it at all. In fact I’ve been repeating it _ad nauseam_. I **have** admitted fault. Do you want me to say that I know that Littering is Wrong again? Even after the seven or eight times I admitted that in this thread alone? There most be something about the brains of non-smokers and their low levels of nicotine that makes them miss this rather obvious point. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2000, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/129 "2000-11-01T14:05:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alphagene \* > \*\* > There most be something about the brains of non-smokers and their low levels of nicotine that makes them miss this rather obvious point. \*\* “Those that do not understand…mock” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Seen\_to\_it\_already](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@Seen\_to\_it\_already](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seen_to_it_already)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2000, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/130 "2000-11-02T00:46:01Z")
I smoke. If you don’t like it, then this is for you: **How to inform a non-smoker that he also offends you: \*\* [Words of wisdom for SPOOFE Bo Diddly](http://wickedmoon.net/cards/anims/shitanim.gif)** ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2000, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/131 "2000-11-02T01:19:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seen to it already \* > \*\*I smoke. If you don’t like it, then this is for you: > > **How to inform a non-smoker that he also offends you: > \*\* [Words of wisdom for SPOOFE Bo Diddly](http://wickedmoon.net/cards/anims/shitanim.gif)** \*\* Uh no dumbass…perhaps, I dunno …read the damn OP? The people expressing an opinion here, are discussing littering… Smoke all you want…hell cough up a lung, do you really think anyone cares? I honestly don’t sit at home at nights praying rthat “seen to it already” gives up smoking…This is not a thread about whether smoking is good or bad, it’s a thread about whether littering cig butts is good or bad…add your opinion about THAT notion, and then you’ll be on topic… ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2000, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/132 "2000-11-02T05:54:55Z")
Lynn: > [@](#): > > Actually, I think that the SMOKERS brought this on themselves. While there are some considerate smokers, the majority of them don’t seem to care if they cause other people discomfort or distress. So what if the person at the next desk is just recovering from bronchitis? The smoker wants to smoke! So now all the smokers, polite and impolite, get to go where they will cause less inconvenience to other people. > > I went to a medical building today, and had to pass a smoky haze to get to the door, even though there are signs posted saying that smoking is prohibited within 50 feet or so. The people who ignore the signs are the ones who are gonna complain the loudest when it becomes illegal to smoke in public OUTDOORS as well as indoors. I agree about the smokers huddled around the entrance to the medical building, but only to a point. Yes, ill people shouldn’t have to walk through a cloud of some to get in the hospital. But that’s one of the perhaps unitended consequence of the zealous Anti-Smoking lot. Why couldn’t there be an smoking lounge for the employees inside the hospital? An enclosed room, where no one else is bothered? Even in the third sub-basement, I don’t mind. But to decide that 25% of the adult population has to go outside to partake in a legal habit, and THEN complain about outside smoke and cigarette butts seems a bit much. PS: YAY TVVeblen! There _is_ a lot of hipocrasy on this issue. Example, five or more years ago, my company divided the cafeteria into smoking and non-smoking sections, including erecting walls to separate them. Then, in the smoking section, they installed a ventilation system that emptied out into the parking lot. Sure enough, people began to complain that they could smell ciggie smoke in the parking lot. Which happened to be 50’ from a major road in an industrial park, where 100s of trucks passed and probably 1000s of cars too. The same people didn’t have a problem with the cars and trucks, just the people smoking OUTSIDE on their lunchbreak. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2000, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/133 "2000-11-02T20:59:21Z")
Well personally I throw my butts on the ground out of spite. Lets say there is a bar owner. He wants to have a bar where people can smoke. And everybody who goes in there is well aware of the fact that people smoking in there, and they can go to a non-smoking bar across the street. But noooooo, we can’t let business owners and adults choose for themselves, we have to pass a stupid fucking law that it is illegal to smoke in a public place, and try to make legistation that an adult can’t smoke in his own goddamn car. I used to be polite about it and give as much consideration as possible. But fucking do-gooders had to start a pissing war about it, so with every stinking, smoking butt I throw on the pavement, my heart gets a little warmer thinking that soon one of the self-righteous pricks, who decided to limit my personal freedom, will see it and get pissed off. ---
**Author:** ![douglips](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@douglips](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/douglips)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/134 "2000-11-03T00:47:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wolfman \* > **… they can go to a non-smoking bar across the street.** Sorry for the hijack, but I’d never seen a non-smoking bar until California passed that law. Where were all these mythical bars? I actually enjoy going to bars now because I don’t come home smelling like an ashtray with bloodshot eyes and a sore throat. Sure, the market should be allowed to decide these things, but guess what, it didn’t. My libertarian head is swelling with cognitive dissonance, but I don’t give a shit - I like non-smoking bars and restaurants. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/135 "2000-11-03T05:21:39Z")
**PING wolfman:** Get in touch next time you’re in Cincinnati… we can go kicking over ashtrays, and then maybe drive down to Eastern Kentucky, where they _truly_ appreciate their state’s Second Largest Cash Crop. I pity you people in California. ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/136 "2000-11-03T19:47:22Z")
Let me get this straight, **wolfman**. You’re willing to litter and potentially start a fire out of spite. You’re mad that there are laws protecting people from the potentially-very-dangerous second hand smoke that is oh-so-common in bars (aka a pub, aka a publick house). So, rather than attempt to repeal the law through the usual legal manners, you choose to protest it by committing a crime (littering) and doing something really stupid (potentially starting a fire). Am I missing something? :wally ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/137 "2000-11-03T22:23:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Montfort \* > \*\* Am I missing something? > > :wally > \*\* yup…he’s a “victim” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/138 "2000-11-04T07:25:48Z")
Next we’ll have him whining that he “didn’t know” smoking was bad when he started, and now he’s hooked, boo hoo. (That’s a tangent, but I’ve heard that whine more than once from smokers. They are “victims” because they somehow couldn’t read the Surgeon General’s warning on the side of the pack…) ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/139 "2000-11-04T07:50:53Z")
Yes, smoking is bad for you. But so are a lot of other things, McDonald’s and car exhaust to name two. Do all the anti-smokers eat at McVeggies and take public transportation exclusively? Umm, don’t think so. Hypocrisy in action. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/140 "2000-11-04T07:59:32Z")
If you call what I did whining, then you have no clue what whining is. I guess you guys have never heard of capitalism, or freedom? When the government starts telling people what they can do, and what they are allowed to put into their bodies, then it is a clear slippery slope. We started by outlawing hard drugs, then softer drugs, and are currently in the process of outlawing smoking. I just can’t wait till the government starts telling us that we can eat X with a specific fat content because it is bad for you. > [@](#): > > So, rather than attempt to repeal the law through the usual legal manners, you choose to protest it by committing a crime (littering) Can you please give me the address of the ivory tower you live in, I would like to move in it. Comfortable, easy changing of laws has never worked, becuase people won’t do a goddamn thing until they are seriously inconvienced. And pissing enough people off about the crap I’m throwing on the street, is the best way I can see to get people to give up restrictions of freedom. My own little form of civil disobedience. Now before anybody jumps off the deep end, I am in no way suggesting that anti-smoking laws are in the same ballpark imperial occupation or slavery, but littering isn’t close to destroying large amounts of cargo, or declaring a bloody war. Everything has its own perspective, and I’ll fight thought control wherever I choose, especially where it inconviences me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808.md?page=8)