# Cigarette assholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2000, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808 "2000-10-13T17:08:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/141 "2000-11-04T08:28:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, smoking is bad for you. But so are a lot of other things, McDonald’s and car exhaust to name two. Do all the anti-smokers eat at McVeggies and take public transportation exclusively? Umm, don’t think so. Hypocrisy in action. Deflecting away from the core issue here. Car exhaust is something that almost _everyone_ is responsible for - we all can point fingers at each other endlessly with that one. So we _all_ have to work on that problem together. Junk food is bad for you, but it doesn’t smell, and there is no such thing as “second hand” junk food. Besides, you are trying hard to deflect from the OP, which is about flicking butts. Hey, I don’t care who smokes. I just don’t want to see their litter, and I don’t want to smell their smoke in an enclosed space. And, pardon me if I don’t see smokers as “victims” because they can’t spread their smoke everywhere they see fit. And I don’t see them as “victims” because they willingly started an expensive habit, and now they are hooked. But hey - as long as they don’t whine about their supposed “victimhood”, and don’t blow smoke in my face, I don’t care what they do. If that makes me a “hypocrite”…well, you know where you can stick your butt. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wolfman \* > And pissing enough people off about the crap I’m throwing on the street, is the best way I can see to get people to give up restrictions of freedom. My own little form of civil disobedience. Your “protest” is lazy, and boorish, and an exercise in futility. Such childish behavior does nothing to further your “poor me, I’m a victim” cause. And I do not believe that you are _serious_ in the belief that your pathetic excuse for “protest” will call attention to your “plight”. It just makes you look like the lazy, inconsiderate, littering boor that you are. Your behavior merely gives rabid anti-smokers more fuel for their dislike for smokers. If I were a smoker who was considerate in disposing of my butts, I’d be pissed with you. You make all smokers look like lazy louts. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/142 "2000-11-04T08:48:56Z")
Yosemitebabe, I’m sure you’re nearly perfect, but you must have at least one bad habit that bugs other people. What are you going to do when the come for you? He that hath no sin, and all. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/143 "2000-11-04T08:56:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Yosemitebabe, > > I’m sure you’re nearly perfect, but you must have at least one bad habit that bugs other people. What are you going to do when the come for you? > > He that hath no sin, and all. > > \*\* Well, I am certainly not perfect. But as I mentioned before, if I were called on a bad habit like littering, I doubt I’d whine, become outraged, and make excuses for it. It’s not so much the bad habit, or the flaws. It’s the _whining_ and _excuses_ and the absolute outrage when anyone dares call them on it. And yeah, it’s the “protesting” louts like Wolfman, who flicks his butts because he’s angry at the world. I guess because it’s not universally enchanted with his smoking. Or something… Seriously - are you siding with this guy? Are you going to flick butts too, as a form of “civil disobedience”? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/144 "2000-11-04T09:44:56Z")
Nah, I’m not siding with this guy. Deliberately littering to make a “point” is not cool. I’m just saying, if you make everyone go outside to smoke, there’s gonna be more cigarrete butts outside. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/145 "2000-11-04T10:00:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > Nah, I’m not siding with this guy. Deliberately littering to make a “point” is not cool. Good to know you have some sense in that area! So I am right in supposing that most smokers would not be pleased with his antics? > [@](#): > > I’m just saying, if you make everyone go outside to smoke, there’s gonna be more cigarrete butts outside. Well, “make” is not a word I’d use. No one “makes” anyone else smoke. They _choose_ to smoke. Wherever they can, apparently. I don’t buy that smokers are more compelled to flick butts while outside. No considerate person will think that “Well, it’s outside” is a viable excuse to drop litter on the ground. There’s the ever trusty Altoids tin, and other effective butt-disposal techniques. And, as has been cited here several times, even _when_ there is an ashtray outside, _some_ of the smokers still manage to “miss” it. I don’t think they “miss” an ashtray inside as much because they don’t want to carpet catching on fire. But outside? I guess they figure it doesn’t matter. Well, newsflash: It DOES matter. It’s _littering,_ and there’s no excuse for it. ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/146 "2000-11-04T15:33:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wolfman \* > \*\*Can you please give me the address of the ivory tower you live in, I would like to move in it. \*\* I live in a white apartment, but it’s not ivory, nor is it a tower. But, I’m about 15 miles away from the U.S. Capitol building, where laws **are** made. Although, this is, for better or for worse, a state issue, so go to your state’s capitol and complain. And pick up your trash on the way. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/147 "2000-11-04T15:44:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > \*\* > Well, “make” is not a word I’d use. No one “makes” anyone else smoke. They _choose_ to smoke. Wherever they can, apparently. > \*\* I enjoy good quality beer…I’m even a home brewer myself. Sometimes when I feel some stress at home, I’ll relax with a cold one…can you believe my employer actually MAKES me wait until I’m off work before I enjoy a cold one…geez…the nerve…I think just for spite I’ll bring all my bottle caps to work and flick 'em on the front lawn…that’ll show 'em 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/148 "2000-11-04T23:40:29Z")
the American public is and why that simian little acephalic ingrate Bush will lead us all to hell. Yes I smoke, yes I rip the burning end off the cigarette with any remaing tobacco and put the filter in my pocket but only if I am in a spot where it won’t be picked up by someone who earns their living cleaning up after the public. If no one littered these people would be put out of work. It is a latent beneficial function of littering. Is that incendiary? Too fucking bad. Anyone who hasn’t arrived at the conclusion that this subject is pathetically miniscule in relation to the really big issues we face, like overpopulation–any terminal valves who have more than one child who bleat about this problem should be run over with their own SUVs–is caught up in the bread and circus appearances which ensure that we leave nothing more than a smoking husk to our children. Lebensraum disputes, famines, global warming, erosion of civil rights, institutionalized misogny and racism, etc., etc., ad nauseum–take your pick; any of these things are more important than thoughtless people who flick their spent cheroots in the street. Use your fucking heads. Idiots. ---
**Author:** ![zwaldd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a9adbd/32.png) [@zwaldd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zwaldd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/149 "2000-11-05T00:31:29Z")
> [@](#): > > And finally, to zwaldd: > Suck my dick. Obviously you are only trying to start a fight and piss me off and I won’t let you. So go screw a sloth or something and I’ll leave it at that. Or better yet, meet up with that dickhead in the Penis thread, you two are made for each other. Your stupidity and childishness (sp?) truly shows at this momment. take it easy, litter boy - you’re going to bust a vein. go have a cigarette. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/150 "2000-11-05T00:40:32Z")
Oh, sure. There are far worse things than littering. (That’s what this is about, by the way…_littering._) But littering is one of those lazy, inconsiderate, needless little annoyances that we needn’t face. And when we see supposedly evolved, civilized people act as if “So what? There are far worse things!” when it comes to littering (because, once again, _that’s essentially what this is about._) I want to ask, "WHAT?!?! **WHAT?!?!** Were you raised by fricking WOLVES? _Pick up after yourselves!"_ And the absolute outraged attitude of this last butt-flicker (well, he flicks his butts _sometimes…_) is what I am talking about. Kudos to you for disposing of your litter some of the time. Really, good for you. But you know, just because there are some poor working schlubs out there that are paid some miserable wage to PICK UP YOUR GARBAGE doesn’t mean you have to give them “extra” work. They have enough other slobs to clean up after. Are you proud you are one of these slobs as well? Hey, since they are apparently there to pick up after the likes of you, why don’t you throw all your other garbage on the ground as well? Why stop at butts? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/151 "2000-11-05T00:41:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chronolicht \* > \*\* Anyone who hasn’t arrived at the conclusion that this subject is pathetically miniscule in relation to the really big issues we face, like overpopulation-- \*\* Ahh yes, the old argument that there are BIGGER problems in the world, so we dare not waste any time discussing anything but those bigger problems… I’m guessing you never complain to any of your friends at the bar, work or gym about anything EXCEPT the above mentioned major problems in the world…you never complain about the way people drive…or loud music blaring in your neighborhood…or shitty service from stores…or when streets dont get plowed out in a reasonable amount of time…you ONLY discuss major global problems…etc Funny, I looked at Montfort’s original post (and similar posts) and don’t recall any attempt to equate this with problems like world hunger or overpopulation… ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/152 "2000-11-05T01:19:12Z")
And the absolute outraged attitude of this last butt-flicker (well, he flicks his butts sometimes…) is what I am talking about. Kudos to you for disposing of your litter some of the time. Really, good for you. But you know, just because there are some poor working schlubs out there that are paid some miserable wage to PICK UP YOUR GARBAGE doesn’t mean you have to give them “extra” work. They have enough other slobs to clean up after. Are you proud you are one of these slobs as well? Hey, since they are apparently there to pick up after the likes of you, why don’t you throw all your other garbage on the ground as well? Why stop at butts? ``` In fact, your post will make me think twice about flicking my butts anywhere anymore. But your final sentence is a totalization of the problem which obscures a more gentle truth. We all do things which aren't good for each other or ourselves. We also make accomodations quite readily for own shortcomings and are averse to extending the same generosity to others. I have a friend who makes a nice living wage cleaning the concourses and walkways at a major West coast university. That's all he does. He makes about six hundred after tax dollars a week and has benefits. Not great, not too shabby. He ain't no schlub neither. He would be unemployed if no one littered though. It's honest work. He does a good job. It is a worthy undertaking. Calling him a schlub isn't very nice, but it serves a function for you. But if you are concerned about contamination of the environment why not talk about burning coal or assholes dumping motor oil down the drain or all the packaging you throw in the trash or many other things? I agree that littering is bad but as far as social pathologies go, it is tres petit, like you. Your last post, though you didn't know it at the time, was intended to make you feel better about yourself. You are secure in that you are now quite decisively a better person than I am. I defer to your superiority in awe and devotion. How ironic that your missive would have the beneficial unintended consequence of making me think twice about littering! ``` ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/153 "2000-11-05T02:07:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chronolicht \* > I have a friend who makes a nice living wage cleaning the concourses and walkways at a major West coast university. That’s all he does. … Calling him a schlub isn’t very nice, but it serves a function for you. I am a working “schlub” myself, so no, I am not intending to use the term in a derogatory way. I come from a long line of “schlubs”, thank you. And I am glad that your friend makes a good living. Not everyone in his line of work does, though. Besides, you are skirting the issue - does your friend THANK _YOU_ when you add extra trash to the ground? Is his job in that much danger that every little bit helps? Does he encourage you to litter, so he’ll have job security? Do all smokers “owe it” to guys like your friend to keep on littering? Is that what you are implying? > [@](#): > > But if you are concerned about contamination of the environment why not talk about burning coal or assholes dumping motor oil down the drain or all the packaging you throw in the trash or many other things? What? Is this the old tactic of “Why are you bitching, about this, while there are more IMPORTANT things to bitch about”? Because we already covered that, hun. > [@](#): > > I agree that littering is bad but as far as social pathologies go, it is tres petit, like you. As I have mentioned previously in this thread, it isn’t so much that flicking butts is SOOO bad, it’s the outraged and indignant attitude of smokers when they are confronted with it. That’s what rankles. We are all flawed, but at least we should have the guts and take it when we are called up on one of our tacky, lazy habits. But what we are seeing on this thread is that _some_ of you cannot manage to do that. You have to get indignant, and point to global warming, or whatever, rather than just admit it’s a lazy, inexcusable habit that you could stop, if you wanted to. > [@](#): > > Your last post, though you didn’t know it at the time, was intended to make you feel better about yourself. Oh, this is _toooo_ rich! Now you are analyzing _me?_ Your little condescending crap about “you didn’t know it at the time…” Could you be _more_ of a condescending windbag? This is hilarous. Honey, my last post didn’t make me “feel better about myself”. However, _your_ last post made me laugh! The gall! The victimized smoker’s outrage! What entertainment! 😃 > [@](#): > > You are secure in that you are now quite decisively a better person than I am. :rolleyes: Oh, that _bites_. You know, the sarcasm. Oh oh oh. I am _soooo_ crushed. You seem worried that some of us feel like we are “better” than you are. Get over it, honey. ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/154 "2000-11-05T02:32:00Z")
self righteousness in your little busybody tirade about jerks who flick their butts everywhere? Get real. Of course it’s wrong to throw trash of any sort on the ground. I am the first to admit it. Where is the victimized smoker’s outrage? I don’t get that at all. What I do get is that your rankled attitude is exactly analogous to the demented accomodations to slovenliness that the smokers have thrust forth. The absence of courage you find so distasteful gels perfectly with your need to upbrade others for their bad habit. The logic is symmetrical and tautologous. You need each other. Now let me help you off that proud steed and let’s have a smoke, there, Miss Manners. Oooh! Sorry! Did I burn you? “As I have mentioned previously in this thread, it isn’t so much that flicking butts is SOOO bad, it’s the outraged and indignant attitude of smokers when they are confronted with it. That’s what rankles. We are all flawed, but at least we should have the guts and take it when we are called up on one of our tacky, lazy habits. But what we are seeing on this thread is that some of you cannot manage to do that. You have to get indignant, and point to global warming, or whatever, rather than just admit it’s a lazy, inexcusable habit that you could stop, if you wanted to.” I don’t give piss christ what you think about me, you holier-than-thou little Martinette. ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/155 "2000-11-05T02:46:32Z")
"Besides, you are skirting the issue - does your friend THANK YOU when you add extra trash to the ground? Is his job in that much danger that every little bit helps? Does he encourage you to litter, so he’ll have job security? Do all smokers “owe it” to guys like your friend to keep on littering? Is that what you are implying? Not only are you a little busybody control freak, you are none too bright. Should he thank me? What does gratitude have to do with it? The simple fact is that people litter. People are going to continue to litter. To say that something which actually exists shouldn’t won’t change it. If you analyze littering, one of the things you come up with is that littering has an aspect which isn’t entirely bad. I am not saying that one should litter. Just that if no one did, then people would be put out of work. Just lookin’ on the bright side is all. Ideally (never never land) people wouldn’t litter and ideally, people would take stock of their own defects and work on them, rather than seeking to get other’s comportment to conform to what they consider to be right. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/156 "2000-11-05T02:55:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chronolicht \* > Where is the victimized smoker’s outrage? It is where you point fingers away from yourself, and where you bring up all the ills of the world, as if to imply that everyone is picking on “poor li’l old victimized you” when they should be worrying about more _important_ things. > [@](#): > > What I do get is that your rankled attitude is exactly analogous to the demented accomodations to slovenliness that the smokers have thrust forth. The absence of courage you find so distasteful gels perfectly with your need to upbrade others for their bad habit. The logic is symmetrical and tautologous. You need each other. Yep. Yep. Yep. Pompous windbag. The epitome of pompous windbag. Oh. My. Gosh. How _hilarious!_😃 I see you didn’t answer the question I had about your friend . _DO_ smokers “owe it” to folks like him to keep on flicking butts? That is what you are implying, you know. [/quote] Now let me help you off that proud steed and let’s have a smoke, there, Miss Manners. Oooh! Sorry! Did I burn you? [/quote] Oh my. That was more of your stinging sarcasm, wasn’t it? Oh wow. _That_ was a zinger! :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > “As I have mentioned previously in this thread, it isn’t so much that flicking butts is SOOO bad, it’s the outraged and > indignant attitude of smokers when they are confronted with it. That’s what rankl…” Could you do everyone a _huuuuge_ favor and learn how to use the quote function? Please? > [@](#): > > I don’t give piss christ what you think about me, you holier-than-thou little Martinette. Yeah. Right. That is why you keep on mentioning it (I didn’t start that line of thinking, you did.) And _noooo_ - you don’t care at _ALL_. That’s why you are almost having a shit hemorrhage on this thread. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/157 "2000-11-05T02:58:53Z")
Whoops! Simulpost. I see you are getting more and more pompous and windbag-esque, though. More shit hemorrhages, too. And, please. The quote function. It is your _friend._ ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/158 "2000-11-05T03:26:13Z")
Just because you think that something is implied doesn’t mean it is. Of course I am not implying that I should be thanked for littering. To draw this inference is absurd. I wish that you would take a little more effort to come up with a rational refutation of what I have been saying than just quoting me (with no small dexterity! Damn you are a good quoter) and saying that I am pompous. And no, I am not angry. I deal with these kinds of cognitive distrotions all the time. The fact that you haven’t been able to address what I have been saying is de facto proof that my assertions are true. Now use your little noggy or I won’t play anymore. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2000, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/159 "2000-11-05T05:40:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chronolicht \* > Just because you think that something is implied doesn’t mean it is. Of course I am not implying that I should be thanked for littering. To draw this inference is absurd. Well, my dear, (using that clever quote function again) here is what you wrote previously. Why _wouldn’t_ I see this as an excuse for flicking butts? > [@](#): > > If no one littered these people would be put out of work. It is a latent beneficial function of littering. Yeah, all those janitors have _you_ to thank for their jobs! So keep on flickin’! They _need_ you! > [@](#): > > I wish that you would take a little more effort to come up with a rational refutation of what I have been saying than just quoting me (with no small dexterity! Damn you are a good quoter) and saying that I am pompous. You ARE pompous. Your rambling, verbose rantings are evidence of that. And if you’ll notice, _a lot_ of Dopers use the quote function. You might try it sometime. > [@](#): > > And no, I am not angry. Oh, _nooooo_. You weren’t angry when you wrote this: > [@](#): > > Use your fucking heads. Idiots. **Or this:** > [@](#): > > I don’t give piss christ what you think about me, you holier-than-thou little Martinette. **Or this:** > [@](#): > > Not only are you a little busybody control freak, you are none too bright. Nope. No anger there. None at all. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I deal with these kinds of cognitive distrotions all the time. The fact that you haven’t been able to address what I have been saying is de facto proof that my assertions are true. Now use your little noggy or I won’t play anymore. What EXACTLY are you “trying to address”? That you are not a pompous windbag? (That last quote takes the cake, by the way.) That we are not “better” than you? (Since apparently that possibility vexes you.) That you are doing a service to society by giving more work to janitors? That we should worry only about global warming, and not pick on poor, long-suffering victimized smokers who are too fricking lazy to use an ashtray? WHAT? ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808/160 "2000-11-06T06:00:57Z")
I can’t believe this is up to four pages. Let’s drive for five, people! When I was a child, my mother taught me to pick up things that I drop on the ground. She also taught me not to litter. What did your mothers teach you, butt-droppers? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-assholes/36808.md?page=9)