# Cigarette information for a new smoker **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 15, 2003, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536 "2003-10-15T09:40:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/41 "2003-10-15T21:52:44Z")
I say, light up! Fill your lungs with the rich smoke! Ignore the whiners and don’t worry about the future, for we all know it shall never come. If you choose to smoke twenty packs a day, more power to you. Light up a whole line of thick Cuban cigars and smoke five-six at once! Not only will you reduce your term on this horrible stinking planet, but your last days will be _packed_: You’ll learn all about oncology, chemistry, and psychology! Oncology from when your tumors grow and metastasize, and you begin to feel the glow of new life taking root in every corner of your being. Chemistry from when the doctors pump you full of all those neat drugs, and you learn exactly what your body thinks of chemotherapy and morphine. And psychology from how your friends, who have been so helpful with a light before, react to your `condition', how everyone avoids the `C-word’ and tries to ignore the really nice-looking plastic tubes going in and out of your emaciated, corpselike body. Smoke up, buddy. It’s your life. ---
**Author:** ![SonOfArizona](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SonOfArizona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SonOfArizona)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/42 "2003-10-15T21:53:17Z")
How are menthols marketed towards black people? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/43 "2003-10-15T21:53:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > \*\*If you really want to look “cool”, and also get the “high” of nicotine- without the dangers of lung cancer- why not try what Ellis said- cigars- or even pipes. They certainly have a better “taste”, cigars say “rich (addicted) dude” and pipes say “thinking (addicted) dude”. Cigs just say “addicted dude”. They cost more, so you are unlikely to smoke as much. \*\* Better yet, he should go with dip. Nothing says cool and laid back like somebody spitting foul brown liquid every 30 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/44 "2003-10-15T22:00:32Z")
You could try clove cigarettes. You still look trendy, but don’t have the nicotine and tar going into your lungs. If trendyness is what you want, cloves should just about fill the bill. ---
**Author:** ![SonOfArizona](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SonOfArizona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SonOfArizona)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/45 "2003-10-15T22:01:47Z")
Alright I have had enough. This is rediculous. Does anybody follow the rules of this forum? I asked a question. I expected some mature, detailed answers, perhaps maybe a discussion on what cigarettes are the best. Instead, I got a bunch of whining, irritating comments with maybe a couple genuine posts mixed in between. I don’t want your opinion on smoking. I never did. I don’t care about what you think on that regard. I said this from the get - go. I just wanted to know about cigarettes. That is it. Quite frankly, some of you are more likely to die from being an elitist a-hole to the wrong person than I am from smoking. Sorry if what I just said makes this something that belongs in the pit, but if the people replying to my question can’t follow the GQ rules, why should I? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/46 "2003-10-15T22:11:32Z")
And of course will kill you even quicker: you can absorb up to almost twice as much nicotine and tar from clove cigarettes as from all-tobacco cigarettes. [Plus](http://www.flowering-tobacco.com/associated/clove_cigarette_death.htm) there are other dangers unique to clove cigarettes. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/47 "2003-10-15T22:13:41Z")
The problem is, I believe, that the first two paragraphs of your original post come across as flippant and provoke this sort of response; if you’d just asked the question straight, maybe the signal-to-noise ratio would have been better. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/48 "2003-10-15T22:16:55Z")
SonOfArizona: Bashing smokers is very PC right now. If bashing black people were PC these same retards would be wearing white hoods. The anti-smoking rants are just allowed hate. That’s all. It’s the sign of a simple mind with the childish need to feel better then someone else. It seems to me like you are aware of the risks involved in smoking. Given that it IS your life, you should be allowed to take those risks considering smoking is not illegal. It’s the same as if you decided to have a few beers (or wine) a day. Drinking AND smoking are not the best things for your body. But, it is your body. Just ignore these retards. It’s odvious they are SO simple minded they can’t even follow the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/49 "2003-10-15T22:20:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mangetout \* > \*\*The problem is, I believe, that the first two paragraphs of your original post come across as flippant and provoke this sort of response; if you’d just asked the question straight, maybe the signal-to-noise ratio would have been better. \*\* I call bull. This thread would have turned out the same no matter HOW he asked the question. The point is, it is very trendy to hate smokers right now. Like I said above, if it were PC to do so these people filled with hate would just be bashing black people with their little white hoods. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/50 "2003-10-15T22:21:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seven \* > \*\*Just ignore these retards. It’s odvious they are SO simple minded they can’t even follow the rules. \*\* Neither can you, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/51 "2003-10-15T22:22:09Z")
Apparently, neither can you **Seven**. Anyhoo - about the clove ciggies - I was unaware they were more noxious. Anyhow - they smell better for bystanders, which is something at least. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/52 "2003-10-15T22:33:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seven \* > \*\*I call bull. > > This thread would have turned out the same no matter HOW he asked the question.\*\* Call whatever you like; I know for a fact I’d have approached it with a different attitude if it had been presented purely as a factual question, so there’s at least one little bit that would have been different. > [@](#): > > \*\*The point is, it is very trendy to hate smokers right now. Like I said above, if it were PC to do so these people filled with hate would just be bashing black people with their little white hoods. \*\* To be honest, I didn’t notice a lot of actual _hate_ in this thread; bemusement, astonishment, sarcasm, smug amusement, plenty, but _hate_? Surely that’s stretching a little, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/53 "2003-10-15T22:35:28Z")
I’m not on an anti-smoke rant. I’m attempting to inform the OP of the troll-like rants of hate filled non-smokers. I think this is a good thread and I’d like it to continue WITHOUT the hate. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/54 "2003-10-15T22:40:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seven \* > **I’m not on an anti-smoke rant. I’m attempting to inform the OP of the troll-like rants of hate filled non-smokers.** For your information, there are several _[smokers_ in this thread advising the OP not to start. As a former smokler myself, I’m absolutely NOT going to answer the “factual questions” asked by the OP. If he wants to start, that’s his business, but I’m not about to help him. It took me 20 years to quit, and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. I wish people like those in this thread had been around to talk me out of starting in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/55 "2003-10-15T22:40:58Z")
Dude, that’s like shooting a murderer (a while after the fact) and claiming that if he didn’t obey the law, why would you have to? ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/56 "2003-10-15T22:42:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seven \* > **This thread would have turned out the same no matter HOW he asked the question.** Yeah, but you have to admit that the OP’s questions were pretty simple - What’s a menthol? What are 100’s? Once those are answered, well, what the hell? ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/57 "2003-10-15T22:42:41Z")
Er, that was in response to **Arizona’s** last post. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/58 "2003-10-15T22:48:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Seven \* > \*\*I’m not on an anti-smoke rant. I’m attempting to inform the OP of the troll-like rants of hate filled non-smokers. > \*\* Well: a) I think you must be reading another thread and b) It’s just as much against board rules to call people trolls as it is to get snarky in GQ. And frankly, you’ve been snarkier than anyone else here, IMHO. That, of course, is neither here nor there. The OP has received answers to his questions, as well as admonishments about his intended actions. Had he asked about cliff diving, he probably would have received the same admonishments about the dangers of his intended course of action, but you wouldn’t have started in with some Anti-Cliffjumpers conspiracy. Calm down. You’re the one railroading this. Anyhoo - SoA, for the really “Cool” look my understanding is that Malboroughs are the way to go. Folks here that smoke will request them as a gift from the US when I go, and if something is cool in Canada, it’s cool _EVERYWHERE_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/59 "2003-10-15T22:53:51Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Seven_ > I’m attempting to inform the OP of the troll-like rants of hate filled non-smokers. I thought I’d go back to the start and look for all this hate you’re talking about; scrolling backwards, I did notice that there certainly were a couple or three pointed statements toward the end of page 1, but the first explicit expression of hatred in the thread comes before all those and it reads like this: > [@](#): > > **This board gets more retarded everyday.** > > The OP asked to cut with the anti-smoke rants, but some of you nitwits just can’t seem to let it go. Fine, you hate smoking. Fine, you think it’s stupid. But show some repect to the requests of the OP. > > There is nothing I hate more then the anti-smoker nazi league. Keep your mightier then thou attitude out of this thread. > [sup](emphasis mine)[/sup] I’ll leave you to work out who posted it. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536/60 "2003-10-15T23:00:54Z")
> [@](#): > > I expected some mature, detailed answers, perhaps maybe a discussion on what cigarettes are the best. (blah blah) I don’t want your opinion on smoking. I never did. I don’t care about (blah blah blah) I just wanted to know about cigarettes. That is it. The thing is, friend: everybody here knows you’re not listening and they’re not talking to you. You threw out a joke and they’re laughing at it amongst themselves. Oh, some of them want a better life for you, I suppose. But most are just observing the truism “youth is wasted on the young.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cigarette-information-for-a-new-smoker/207536.md?page=4)