# Cindy McCain is truly an awful human being **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868 "2008-06-23T02:53:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/21 "2008-06-23T04:18:57Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] I have no plans to vote for McCain, but I think this is beyond stupid. Who cares about the past of the spouse of the president? [/QUOTE] Normally I don’t, but this one’s way beyond the pale in my view. Not that I was planing to vote for McCain anyway even were he to divorce her, but mark my words: The spotlight she’s about to come under will cast John in an unfavorable light himself. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/22 "2008-06-23T04:21:57Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] BTW, why does the moral character of a potential First Lady matter to the country one way or another? Can a man really be held responsible for his wife’s behavior? [/QUOTE] She’ll have certain responsibilities in representing the US that if it’s her doing the representing, I’d feel queasy about. They’d have to lock up the silverware when she went anywhere on a state visit. It also could call into question McCain’s judgment. It may not be fair, and 99% of the time I would agree it’s not fair, but Cindy’s a bit over the top. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/23 "2008-06-23T04:22:03Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] This, by the way, is hilarious. I expect it will be a frequent citation in future threads where **Carol Stream** talks about personal responsibility and poor people and whatnot. [/QUOTE] What does being poor, or not, have to do with personal responsibility? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/24 "2008-06-23T04:24:26Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] BTW, why does the moral character of a potential First Lady matter to the country one way or another? Can a man really be held responsible for his wife’s behavior? [/QUOTE] From Charles Dickens, in Oliver Twist: Mr. Brownlow: In the eyes of the law, you are the more guilty of the two, for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction. Mr. Bumble: If that’s what the law supposes, sir, then the law is a ass! If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/25 "2008-06-23T04:27:38Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] What does being poor, or not, have to do with personal responsibility? [/QUOTE] Are you a robot? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/26 "2008-06-23T04:31:44Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] I have no plans to vote for McCain, but I think this is beyond stupid. Who cares about the past of the spouse of the president? Or friends, or siblings, or minsters, or whomever? Many people have a past, and a whole lot more have someone in their lives who has a past. If someone would make a good president, I don’t care if he’s married to blow up doll in a bikini. It’s not relevant. We should treat elections as job interviews. Instead, we treat them like we’re looking for a roommate to share a two bedroom apartment. It drives me crazy. [/QUOTE] To me, the only reason it’s an issue is that the GOP has targeted not only Michelle Obama in some very nasty ways, but virtually anyone Barack Obama has ever come in contact with. If they want to play the association game – especially with spouses – then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Senator Obama has said that he will not make Cindy McCain a campaign issue. McCain has refused to make a similar pledge about Michelle. Fine. Senator Obama is too much of a gentleman to mention that John McCain is married to a charity-robbing junkie, but I certainly am no such gentleman. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/27 "2008-06-23T04:35:08Z")
Personally, I think we could use more junkies in the White House, not that I’ll vote for McCain. I’m tired of the War on Drugs. I want it to be replaced with a War FOR Drugs. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/28 "2008-06-23T04:36:46Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] To me, the only reason it’s an issue is that the GOP has targeted not only Michelle Obama in some very nasty ways, but virtually anyone Barack Obama has ever come in contact with. If they want to play the association game – especially with spouses – then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Senator Obama has said that he will not make Cindy McCain a campaign issue. McCain has refused to make a similar pledge about Michelle. Fine. Senator Obama is too much of a gentleman to mention that John McCain is married to a charity-robbing junkie, but I certainly am no such gentleman. [/QUOTE] I’m not saying we shouldn’t attack Cindy McCain because it’s mean, I’m saying we as voters shouldn’t care about either spouse because it’s irrelevant. Any voter who makes his/her decision about who should be the next President of the United States based on the First Lady is a retard. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/29 "2008-06-23T04:39:06Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] Are you a robot? [/QUOTE] No, a Dalek. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/30 "2008-06-23T04:42:12Z")
I heard she can make death rays come out of her eyes, and we don’t need that in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/31 "2008-06-23T04:42:38Z")
[QUOTE=Mr Bus Guy] :: casting stones from my little glass house :: [/QUOTE] And as we all know, people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw parties. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/32 "2008-06-23T04:42:58Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] No, a Dalek. [/QUOTE] An organism that has an all-consuming hatred for all other lifeforms, which would be utterly helpless without its mechanical shell? Hokay. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/33 "2008-06-23T04:45:16Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] An organism that has an all-consuming hatred for all other lifeforms, which would be utterly helpless without its mechanical shell? Hokay. [/QUOTE] Seek! Locate! Exterminate! ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/34 "2008-06-23T04:53:48Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] And as we all know, people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw parties. [/QUOTE] Unless they’re the kind of parties that have lots of hot naked chicks. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/35 "2008-06-23T04:56:10Z")
[QUOTE=Mr Bus Guy] So, to summarize: Someone forms an addiction to a prescription medicine. Does bad things to support this habit. Since she’s a public figue, it makes news. She makes all appropriate mea culpas, apparently stays clean for the next 14 years. Wildly left wing web site writes SHOCKING story about the great SCANDAL (which any normal, news-reading person knew about for, oh… **14 years??** ). [/QUOTE] Look at the actual links and by-lines. The story was originally written when the events were barely four years old and McCain was making his first bid for the presidency. Snarling about Salon for doing an article at a time when it was pertinent seems pretty silly in that light. That said: this story is now bogus. No one appears to have dug up anything more recent than her public confession and restitution; she continues to fund philanthropic ventures with a lot of her personal wealth; she is no more a legitimate target for such nonsense than is Ms. Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/36 "2008-06-23T05:16:42Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Look at the actual links and by-lines. The story was originally written when the events were barely four years old and McCain was making his first bid for the presidency. Snarling about Salon for doing an article at a time when it was pertinent seems pretty silly in that light. That said: this story is now bogus. No one appears to have dug up anything more recent than her public confession and restitution; she continues to fund philanthropic ventures with a lot of her personal wealth; she is no more a legitimate target for such nonsense than is Ms. Obama. [/QUOTE] Bogus means counterfeit or fake; not genuine. What is bogus about that story? Are you claiming that a story can be correct, but become bogus by the passage of time? ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/37 "2008-06-23T05:20:11Z")
Is it just me, or does it seem like Cindy McCain was the Paris Hilton of her generation? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/38 "2008-06-23T05:21:30Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Bogus means counterfeit or fake; not genuine. What is bogus about that story? Are you claiming that a story can be correct, but become bogus by the passage of time? [/QUOTE] The claim that there is anything pertinent to the 2008 election in the private activities, fourteen years past, of a person who is not even a candidate is bogus, fake, and irredeemably stupid. The story could be 100% accurate, but pretending that it is a relevant story is just dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/39 "2008-06-23T05:26:24Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Do you always have so much sympathy for junkies who steal from charities to support their habits? What’s the difference between Cindy McCain and a crackhead who steals from old ladies? [/QUOTE] If the crackhead was clean for 14 years and hadn’t stolen from anyone during that time I might be inclined to cut them a little slack as well. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868/40 "2008-06-23T05:41:43Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] The claim that there is anything pertinent to the 2008 election in the private activities, fourteen years past, of a person who is not even a candidate is bogus, fake, and irredeemably stupid. The story could be 100% accurate, but pretending that it is a relevant story is just dumb. [/QUOTE] I see you have switched what you said. Before it was the story that was bogus, now it is the claim in the story that is bogus. The story might be stupid and it might be irrelevant, but that does not mean that it is fake or bogus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain-is-truly-an-awful-human-being/453868.md?page=3)