# Cindy McCain **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287 "2008-10-10T04:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/81 "2008-10-13T03:33:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, the _fiscal_ side! _That’s_ the side that they’ve done such a great job with! Again, just because you implied I said it doesn’t mean I did. To be clear (since you are a fucking idiot): where did I say the Republicans have done a great job on the fiscal side? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/82 "2008-10-13T03:34:28Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > If anyone cares to argue that Obama is more likely to shrink the government (or increase slow down the increase in its size) than is McCain, I’d be willing to listen. Any such person has some pretty big earmarks to get past in doing so. You said Republicans are “still the more fiscally conservative small government party while the Democrats are the more fiscally liberal large government party.” You have no evidence for that but your own strong desire for it to be true. None. Oh, they might say such things, but when given a chance, they spend and spend and spend and spend. They cut taxes and raise spending and have about as much relation with fiscal conservatism as I have with Stephen Hawking–we admire from a distance. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/83 "2008-10-13T03:35:31Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] W thinks that’s a song by Olivia Newton-John. She’s Australian, so she talks funny. [/QUOTE] They do have a tendency to confuse the monetary with the erotic. Entirely unhealthy, in my opinion. (I’d include “humble”, but who am I kidding…) ---
**Author:** ![UnwrittenNocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6de8d8/32.png) [@UnwrittenNocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwrittenNocturne)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/84 "2008-10-13T03:36:16Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m a much more moral individual than Obama (and you if you support Obama), I’ll tell you that much. Obama is far too right wing for me to be wildly supportive. But he’s infinitely preferable to McCain. As to your own morality let’s face it – it just ain’t so. You are an objectivist. By definition that means ‘motherfucking sociopath’. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/85 "2008-10-13T03:40:16Z")
> [@UnwrittenNocturne](#): > > You are an objectivist. By definition that means ‘motherfucking sociopath’. I once thought I was an objectivist. I wasn’t a sociopath, just young, incredibly selfish, and with an astonishingly inflated idea of my own talent. I grew up, and wised up, eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/86 "2008-10-13T03:42:45Z")
Earmarks? What do earmarks have to do with the size of the Federal budget? Earmarks are _trivial_ when compared to the cost of fighting wars of choice, and bailing out failed businesses. McCain, and the Republican’s ‘war on earmarks’ is [nothing more than a fantasy.](http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/mccains_fantasy_war_on_earmark.html) The needed savings are simply not there. ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/87 "2008-10-13T04:00:00Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > 1. It’s a program for the purchase of assets, not a handout to “the corporations.” > > 2. As I’ve said in other threads, I’m of two minds whether I like it or not. > > 3. It doesn’t change the fact that the Republicans are still the more fiscally conservative small government party while the Democrats are the more fiscally liberal large government party. OMGF, you are hilarious! I am literally laughing out loud at that! Were you unconscious through the Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 administrations? I know you love your republican talking points, but let’s look at the facts. Ronald Reagan, a republican, campaigned on cutting taxes and federal spending. When he was in office, he certainly cut taxes for the wealthy, and federal spending increased. Reagan inherited a $79 billion deficit from Jimmy Carter. When Reagan left office, the budget deficit was $290 billion. Bill Clinton left office with a balanced federal budget and the largest budget surplus in history. Some people say that was becasue of the Republican-dominated legislature. Actually, it was a Clinton goal, and it speaks well of his political abilities to get the republican legislature to come on board and get his idea pushed through. Documentation here: > **[Bill Clinton on Budget & Economy](https://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Bill_Clinton_Budget_+_Economy.htm)** [http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/](http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/) George W. Bush got many votes in 2000 by telling people: “Look, we got this here big pile of money, this budget surplus. I’ll give it to you if you vote for me”. (That still wasn’t enough to win the popular vote, so he and his brother had Katherine Harris & company rig the election for him, but we’re talking finances and fiscal reaponsibility, so I’ll get back on point). So, after buying the 2000 election with tax cuts, a fiscally irresponsible move, Georgie boy and the Republican supermajority congress went ape shit throwing money away on invading Iraq, were Saddam Hussein (a very very bad man) was keeping Al Qaida out of his country because he didn’t like anyone challenging his power, something boy George’s daddy knew full well. Donald Rumsfeld said that all the oil we pumped out of Iraq would pay for the invasion, which it didn’t and never will. More republican fiscal stupidity. Here’s a nice graph for you to look at. [http://zfacts.com/p/318.html](http://zfacts.com/p/318.html) It charts the national debt as a percentage of the GDP fron 1950 until now, and you’ll notice that it increased most under Reagan & the 2 Bushes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/88 "2008-10-13T04:03:49Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I once thought I was an objectivist. I wasn’t a sociopath, just young, incredibly selfish, and with an astonishingly inflated idea of my own talent. I grew up, and wised up, eventually. If Dr House were to do a scan of all the Doper blood samples, he would find an incidence of antibodies for objectivistic virus far out of normal proportion compared to the larger population. Lot of survivors on the Boards, I bet. Not everybody makes it, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/89 "2008-10-13T04:08:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not everybody makes it, of course. Darwin’s will be done. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/90 "2008-10-13T15:43:38Z")
> [@UnwrittenNocturne](#): > > As to your own morality let’s face it – it just ain’t so. You are an objectivist. By definition that means ‘motherfucking sociopath’. I prefer “willfully stupid motherfucker with a god complex”. ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/91 "2008-10-13T17:25:31Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I prefer “willfully stupid motherfucker with a god complex”. I always though it was 14-22 year old who just discovered both Rand and the world outside his/her house? ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/92 "2008-10-13T17:31:59Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > I always though it was 14-22 year old who just discovered both Rand and the world outside his/her house? Fortunately, my discovery of the latter disabused me of the former. I think I left my Rand books boxed up when I got my first girlfriend. It’s been more then a decade, and I honestly don’t know where they are. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/93 "2008-10-13T17:38:06Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Fortunately, my discovery of the latter disabused me of the former. I think I left my Rand books boxed up when I got my first girlfriend. It’s been more then a decade, and I honestly don’t know where they are. I managed to slog through _Atlas Shrugged_ and dismissed it as just so much masturbation. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/94 "2008-10-13T18:09:42Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I managed to slog through _Atlas Shrugged_ and dismissed it as just so much masturbation. Even when I was a true believer I ran away from that woman’s prose. Awful. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/95 "2008-10-13T18:18:43Z")
I don’t know whether or not Obama’s administration would spend more or less than McCain’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was indeed as much or more. That it would be spent vastly, _vastly_ more efficiently and wisely? Of that I have no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/96 "2008-10-13T19:05:34Z")
Yup, that Cindy McCain sure is a piece of work. Yup. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/97 "2008-10-13T19:20:22Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I managed to slog through _Atlas Shrugged_ and dismissed it as just so much masturbation. You obviously didn’t understand it, which is why you are voting for Wesley Mouch. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/98 "2008-10-13T19:26:41Z")
> [@BMax](#): > > OMGF, you are hilarious! I am literally laughing out loud at that! Were you unconscious through the Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 administrations? I know you love your republican talking points, but let’s look at the facts. > > Ronald Reagan, a republican, campaigned on cutting taxes and federal spending. When he was in office, he certainly cut taxes for the wealthy, and federal spending increased. Reagan inherited a $79 billion deficit from Jimmy Carter. When Reagan left office, the budget deficit was $290 billion. > > Bill Clinton left office with a balanced federal budget and the largest budget surplus in history. Some people say that was becasue of the Republican-dominated legislature. Actually, it was a Clinton goal, and it speaks well of his political abilities to get the republican legislature to come on board and get his idea pushed through. > Documentation here: > [Bill Clinton on Budget & Economy](http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Bill_Clinton_Budget_+_Economy.htm) > [http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/](http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/) > > George W. Bush got many votes in 2000 by telling people: “Look, we got this here big pile of money, this budget surplus. I’ll give it to you if you vote for me”. (That still wasn’t enough to win the popular vote, so he and his brother had Katherine Harris & company rig the election for him, but we’re talking finances and fiscal reaponsibility, so I’ll get back on point). > So, after buying the 2000 election with tax cuts, a fiscally irresponsible move, Georgie boy and the Republican supermajority congress went ape shit throwing money away on invading Iraq, were Saddam Hussein (a very very bad man) was keeping Al Qaida out of his country because he didn’t like anyone challenging his power, something boy George’s daddy knew full well. Donald Rumsfeld said that all the oil we pumped out of Iraq would pay for the invasion, which it didn’t and never will. More republican fiscal stupidity. > > Here’s a nice graph for you to look at. > [http://zfacts.com/p/318.html](http://zfacts.com/p/318.html) > It charts the national debt as a percentage of the GDP fron 1950 until now, and you’ll notice that it increased most under Reagan & the 2 Bushes. Dude, wasted effort. Those are facts and Rand doesn’t do facts… ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/99 "2008-10-13T19:37:36Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Dude, wasted effort. Those are facts and Rand doesn’t do facts… That’s probably why **Rand** has studiously ignored my post.. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/100 "2008-10-13T20:01:49Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You obviously didn’t understand it, which is why you are voting for Wesley Mouch. What a stupid motherfucker you are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287.md?page=6)