# Cindy McCain **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287 "2008-10-10T04:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/121 "2008-10-14T04:01:52Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Which leads one to wonder why you so vigorously defend the Republican viewpoint around here. Which leads me to wander why you think that anyone who says anything other than “please come on my chest again Obama” is “defending the Republican viewpoint.” ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/122 "2008-10-14T04:04:46Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Which leads me to wander why you think that anyone who says anything other than “please come on my chest again Obama” is “defending the Republican viewpoint.” That sentence says way more about you than anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Khan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3ab097/32.png) [@Khan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khan)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/123 "2008-10-14T04:34:01Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Which leads one to wonder why you so vigorously defend the Republican viewpoint around here. Seriously now! That’s exactly the point! He’s an atheist Randfan with republican sympathies because he’s a living paradox! An iconoclast! A loose cannon! A…! Dare I say it? I dare not. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/124 "2008-10-14T04:52:45Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Which leads me to wander why you think that anyone who says anything other than “please come on my chest again Obama” is “defending the Republican viewpoint.” You gotta cite for where I think Obama’s some kind of super sexy fellow and that everyone should just embrace him? Heck, I’ll make it _easy_ on you, try and find **one** post here where I was estatic in my comments about Obama. Go on, look. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/125 "2008-10-14T13:22:12Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > You gotta cite for where I think Obama’s some kind of super sexy fellow and that everyone should just embrace him? Heck, I’ll make it _easy_ on you, try and find **one** post here where I was estatic in my comments about Obama. Go on, look. Hey dumbass, this exchange with you started with you calling me a Republican sheep! Now you are asking for a cite when I call you an Obama kool-aid drinker? Well, where’s the cite for me being a Republican sheep? I’ve said many times on these boards that I only want McCain to win as the lesser of two evils. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/126 "2008-10-14T13:31:35Z")
I’d like to elevate the discourse beyond the name calling and ask you a serious question. How do you feel about the alliance between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives within the Republican party? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/127 "2008-10-14T13:37:30Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > I’d like to elevate the discourse beyond the name calling and ask you a serious question. How do you feel about the alliance between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives within the Republican party? You talking to me? I think many fiscal conservatives talk “social conservative” to keep the morons voting their way. Same as how many Dems talk “help the poor” to keep those morons voting their way. Others are true believers in both sides of both parties. I wish there were a true libertarian party, but for some reason there don’t seem to be that many of us. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/128 "2008-10-14T13:45:56Z")
Yeah, I was asking you. I often find that fiscal conservatives don’t care for social conservatives; that it’s an alliance of convenience. I think that social liberals do the same with fiscal liberals, as well. I, for one would welcome a sea change of alliances where the social conservatives/fiscal liberals and the fiscal conservatives/social liberals would align. I think the latter would be the larger and possibly more sensible alliance. However, I also have the sneaking suspicion that TPTB would rather see us divided along the current lines, as it muddies the real issues that, once clearly defined and understood by the general populace, would aid in the usurping of the status quo. But I’m crazy like that… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/129 "2008-10-14T14:25:45Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > Yeah, I was asking you. I often find that fiscal conservatives don’t care for social conservatives; that it’s an alliance of convenience. I think that social liberals do the same with fiscal liberals, as well. > > I, for one would welcome a sea change of alliances where the social conservatives/fiscal liberals and the fiscal conservatives/social liberals would align. I think the latter would be the larger and possibly more sensible alliance. However, I also have the sneaking suspicion that TPTB would rather see us divided along the current lines, as it muddies the real issues that, once clearly defined and understood by the general populace, would aid in the usurping of the status quo. > > But I’m crazy like that… Cool. This is another topic I’ve been meaning to start a GD thread on (i.e., any realistic prospects for a viable libertarian party in the near future). ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/130 "2008-10-14T14:33:34Z")
> [@Rand Rover](#): > > I think many fiscal conservatives talk “social conservative” to keep the morons voting their way. Same as how many Dems talk “help the poor” to keep those morons voting their way. […] > > I wish there were a true libertarian party, but for some reason there don’t seem to be that many of us. If this post is any indication, your lack of mass appeal might have something to do with your being self-absorbed elitists who apparently despise the lower classes of whatever ideological stripe. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/131 "2008-10-14T14:53:29Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Cool. This is another topic I’ve been meaning to start a GD thread on (i.e., any realistic prospects for a viable libertarian party in the near future). I don’t think a libertarian party will be viable until a more realistic view of the role of government is espoused. I get too much of a teenager-wishing-his parents-would go-away-for-the-weekend-so-he-can-have-a-keg-party vibe from them. But this thread is about Cindy McCain, whom I don’t think should be encouraged to speak in public. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/132 "2008-10-14T14:59:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Right, I’m the sheep. I’m just an atheist randfan following the herd of all the other atheist randfans . . . Small, select groups tend to have narrow parameters, require much loyalty, and discourage critical thinking. [QUOTE=Rand Rover] Did I just hear a moo? [/QUOTE] Needs more cowbell. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/133 "2008-10-14T15:05:24Z")
No, of course not, you’re a rugged individualist, just like all the rest of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/134 "2008-10-14T17:27:57Z")
I’m not! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/135 "2008-10-14T17:43:02Z")
If she broke her hand just shaking hands ,I imagine having sex would be dangerous. McCain would be distracted by the crack of breaking bones. It must require focus to get past that. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/136 "2008-10-14T17:55:02Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If she broke her hand just shaking hands ,I imagine having sex would be dangerous. McCain would be distracted by the crack of breaking bones. It must require focus to get past that. He can still hear? He seems deaf to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/137 "2008-10-14T19:45:17Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > If this post is any indication, your lack of mass appeal might have something to do with your being self-absorbed elitists who apparently despise the lower classes of whatever ideological stripe. Or basically, anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest. (Much like his hero, The Ayn). ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/138 "2008-10-14T20:23:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, of course not, you’re a rugged individualist, just like all the rest of 'em. Do you think he drives a Jeep Wrangler? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/139 "2008-10-14T20:34:15Z")
I drove a Jeep Wrangler when I was all Objectivisty. Cause or effect? You be the judge! ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287/140 "2008-10-14T23:03:41Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I drove a Jeep Wrangler when I was all Objectivisty. Cause or effect? You be the judge! Hey I drove a motorcycle when I was all Objectivy. Damn, I was obviously a failure at the Ayngsty thing even then and I didn’t even know it. Then again, I drove a BMW as a liberal. Now I drive a Chevy truck as a bleeding heart liberal. I think I’m doing something wrong here but I just can’t put my finger on it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-mccain/467287.md?page=8)