# Cindy Sheehan has lost her ever-loving mind **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 17, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071 "2005-09-17T00:53:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/221 "2005-09-27T00:38:09Z")
> [@zeeny](#): > > Nice is one thing, but lies are another. > > I don’t play that way, and claiming I’ve done so is very poor form on your part. > > I did not make up quotes and attribute them to you. The only time I quoted _you, in particular_ was in a box with your name in it. > > Is it a case of “can dish it out, but can’t take it”, or do think a mere guest here would be easily duped by your “feigned indignance” routine? I’m not really indignant. I just think you’re not very smart. You did quote me falsely. There are more ways to quote than by using a quote box. You responded to my post with a quote box, went on a harangue and put “delusional, manipulated, ignorant cow” in quotes while asking me a question so that it appeared I had called her such a thing. In fact, I did not. If you say it’s a mistake or was unintended, than that’s cool. Mistakes happen. But in fact, the context of your post is quoting me with quotation marks saying something I didn’t say. It’s post #207. Read it again. See? ---
**Author:** ![zeeny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zeeny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zeeny)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/222 "2005-09-27T01:20:47Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I’m not really indignant. I just think you’re not very smart. > > You did quote me falsely. There are more ways to quote than by using a quote box. You responded to my post with a quote box, went on a harangue and put “delusional, manipulated, ignorant cow” in quotes while asking me a question so that it appeared I had called her such a thing. In fact, I did not. > > If you say it’s a mistake or was unintended, than that’s cool. Mistakes happen. > > But in fact, the context of your post is quoting me with quotation marks saying something I didn’t say. > > It’s post #207. Read it again. See? Did I strike a nerve, or are you just that bored? The description of Ms. Sheehan was a compilation of what had previously been said about Ms. Sheehan, both in the press, and alluded to in various comments on internet message boards, here and elsewhere. I’m not that smart about the particulars of this messageboard, but I know what I wrote in good faith, and my own intentions, and if it is truly against the rules, I will accept it (not to mention saving the money of signing up). So please take your nonsense about this matter to the administrators, or give it up. ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/223 "2005-09-27T01:35:57Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Now she’s calling for President Bush to > > Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? > > In the aftermath of Katrina, the hue and cry went up that the Feds (read: President Bush) weren’t doing enough to help the victims, from Mayor Nagin’s semi-hysterical (understandably so, though) S.O.S down to certain democrats and the media laying blame everywhere. > > While they may not have gotten to the worst hit areas as fast as anyone would have liked, the military is now providing security, search and rescue, (well, mostly recovery at this point ☹ ), and massive logistical services so that food, medicine, and other aid can actually reach the people who need it. > > But now, only 10 days after the levees broke and all hell broke loose, this nimrod wants Bush to pull the troops out? What does she, and not incidentally her supporters, WANT for heaven’s sake? > > [A Bright Spot in Bush World Amid the Miserable Failures on the Same Planet | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/a-bright-spot-in-bush-wor_b_7433.html) First she loses a son in Iraq, and now loses a second son. Worse yet, a third son is missing and feared dead, [_all because of Bush._](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40764) Can’t you let this woman grieve in her own way? _Heartless bastards!_ ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/224 "2005-09-27T03:41:41Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > As much as the president’s plan to gut social security. Oh, so zero then. I’m glad we’re in agreement. ---
**Author:** ![zeeny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zeeny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zeeny)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/225 "2005-09-27T04:45:01Z")
**Updike** , get a clue. First you try to lord it up by claiming you are a majority. Then you try to be smart by saying a majority percentage of opinion polls don’t matter. Didn’t you get the previous talking point? Ixnay on the Ollspay! And then you fall on the childish rebuttal of “But who is still President? Nyah, nyah, nyah, nayah nyah.” Now notice how silent your fax machine is. No viable talking points are forthcoming. Face it: It’s over. You are out of ammo. Have mercy on your compatriots and raise the white flag, man. We just might be stuck with the chimp for another three years, but there’s only so much patience left for the dead-enders. Why don’t you spend your time working on your talking point rationale for the future. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/226 "2005-09-27T05:24:02Z")
I made a BIG, BIG boo-boo when I compared **zeeny** to **Zoe** not long ago. I say this not necessarily to denigrate **zeeny** , but it’s become quite apparent to me that I was hasty in my analysis of **zeeny** , which was based on the first post of hers I’d seen – and which also happened to be directed at me – that caused me to see certain qualities in **zeeny** that subsequent posting activity by her/him has shown not to exist as a matter of fact. As I said, it’s not my intention to denigrate **zeeny** , but I wanted to go on record as saying to **Zoe** – whom I admire and like as much as anybody on this board – that I was in error. For better or worse, **zeeny** is nothing like you and I apologize for making such a hasty and erroneous comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/227 "2005-09-27T05:58:23Z")
> [@the raindog](#): > > First she loses a son in Iraq, and now loses a second son. Worse yet, a third son is missing and feared dead, \ Can’t you let this woman grieve in her own way? \*Heartless bastards! Well, I’m flummoxed! I can’t for the life of me figure out if **the raindog’s** post above is on the level or satirical. At first I was inclined to take it seriously, but given the photo of the smiling and obviously-delighted-at-the-attention Cindy Sheehan on Drudge the last couple of days, coupled with the fact that I’d heard nothing about these loses on the news, something didn’t quite jive. Neither did the comment about its all being Bush’s fault, unless he personally caused the New Orleans flooding and somehow caused the ice under Teddy Sheehan to break loose. So I did a little research, and lo and behold, the link he posted is from The Onion. So, to anyone out there inclined to accept **the raindog’s** intentional or inadvertent whoosh, it just ain’t so. (And what’s up with Italics? I haven’t been able to italicize anything the last couple of days. I tried to italicize both ‘Drudge’ and ‘The Onion’ above and got this as the postable result: \*Drudge and \*The Onion…even though the composition box showed showed them coded correctly.) ---
**Author:** ![zeeny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zeeny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zeeny)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/228 "2005-09-27T06:10:57Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I made a BIG, BIG boo-boo when I compared **zeeny** to **Zoe** not long ago. I say this not necessarily to denigrate **zeeny** , but it’s become quite apparent to me that I was hasty in my analysis of **zeeny** , which was based on the first post of hers I’d seen – and which also happened to be directed at me – that caused me to see certain qualities in **zeeny** that subsequent posting activity by her/him has shown not to exist as a matter of fact. As I said, it’s not my intention to denigrate **zeeny** , but I wanted to go on record as saying to **Zoe** – whom I admire and like as much as anybody on this board – that I was in error. For better or worse, **zeeny** is nothing like you and I apologize for making such a hasty and erroneous comparison. It was socially clueless and insulting enough (to your friend) that you initally compared me, a total stranger, with a longtime acquaintance. But now, to compound matters, you remind your friend yet again of this clueless public display. And for what? To offer a back-handed insult to me. Based on partisan politics, or your own petty pride, you will remind your friend, and everyone else here, of your recent alleged poor character judgement and social cluelessness, that originally insulted your friend and fellow poster. Way to go, **Starving Artist**. I can only feel sorry for your friends and loved ones. ---
**Author:** ![zeeny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zeeny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zeeny)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/229 "2005-09-27T06:22:27Z")
If this is the extent and strength of the opposition (formerly known as the majority), I think it might be time to set up professionally staffed crisis centers for grief counselling and refreshments. I must remember to be merciful and gracious (it’s been awhile since I’ve needed to). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/230 "2005-09-27T06:34:46Z")
> [@zeeny](#): > > It was socially clueless and insulting enough (to your friend) that you initally compared me, a total stranger, with a longtime acquaintance. > > But now, to compound matters, you remind your friend yet again of this clueless public display. And for what? > > To offer a back-handed insult to me. > > Based on partisan politics, or your own petty pride, you will remind your friend, and everyone else here, of your recent alleged poor character judgement and social cluelessness, that originally insulted your friend and fellow poster. > > Way to go, **Starving Artist**. > > I can only feel sorry for your friends and loved ones. Oh, believe me, I was fighting the impulse to insult the shit out of you the entire time I was composing that post, but I managed to restrain myself. The fact of the matter is, it’s been bugging me all along that I had so misjudged you based on what appeared to be a singularly heartfelt (and at its base, good-hearted) post by you. It’s also been bugging me ever since that **Zoe** might think that I thought of her as an unpleasant, confrontational, smug and groundlessly superior asshat. Just wanted to make damn sure that wasn’t the case. As for your delight in my exposition of my mistake to other members of the board here, I’m more than willing to let my posting record stand on its own. Those who know me here already know my character; those who don’t aren’t likely to take your word for it. I don’t bother myself with concern over what others may think should I own up to a mistake I’ve made. What’s right is right, and if I make a mistake then I own it and I just have to let the chips fall where they may. And on preview, you’re going to have to do a lot better than that if you think you’re gonna impress anyone around here…even your own political allies. It was really quite childish and lame. (But on second thought, that really is your style…isn’t it?) Cheers, dear. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/231 "2005-09-27T17:48:21Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Can I have a cite for Republican echo chambers? :rolleyes: Guess you’ve never heard of Fox News and its imitators in cable news, nor of right-wing talk radio, nor of the right-wing think-tanks or blogs or whatever. No Rush Limbaugh, no Bill O’Reilly, no Hindrocket, no Michelle Malkin. > [@](#): > > Calling NOLA occupied is pretty fucking delusional in my book. As I said in response to **Updike** : > [@RTFirefly](#): > > she thinks that the armed military presence (not their logistical talents, not the search-and-rescue efforts, but clearly the **armed** presence) in New Orleans, 18 days after Katrina, was rather excessive. I’ve yet to see it demonstrated that there’s no argument for that position. > > So, as of September 16, were marauding gangs in New Orleans still being kept under control only by a massive armed presence, or was this show of force taking place in a practically empty city? I don’t know, and AFAICT, you haven’t said. > > But unless you can furnish evidence that Sheehan should have known that that latter alternative wasn’t in fact a possibility, ISTM that talk of ‘delusions’ is waaaay overstated here. If you’ve got a better response than **Updike** had, go for it. ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/232 "2005-09-27T18:01:08Z")
Back to the crazy Cindy Sheehan. I belong to another smaller message board. One of our members returned to her home in Louisana yesterday. I will not link to that board or give out any other information about her until I have her permission to do. Period. However, this is what she had to say about the National Guard in Vermilion, Louisana. > [@](#): > > The National Guard is a JOKE, they’re here riding up and down the roads kicking more waves into the homes, awaiting orders and eating food that should be going to our local rescuers. > When the people ask for help they tell them they cannot do anything until they get orders. A dog was trapped in a kennel and they would not rescue it nor would they even drive people, who wanted to go get him out but didn’t have transportation to the dog, a simple 1000 feet into the water. So they sat there for hours chatting away their afternoon while this dog suffered not to mention there were still people missing in the waters. > > I watched the Guard trucks ride up and down the road 5 times in less than 2 hours sitting with their guns ready to shoot people mopping out their homes. This is in a small rural community who has a crime rate of almost nothing and mostly that’s minor stuff, They are all decent hardworking citizens who are more than likely related to their neighbor. My husband is related to nearly everyone in a 5 mile radius of his mother’s home, why would we want to harm our family? Our family is not afraid of Looters, they’re afraid of the National Guard. What kind of world is this that our government feels the need to be hostile to people in need? > Our own local people are in there DOING something all on their own, why should we wait for a goverment that has proven itself to be slow and sluggish in response? We will protect our own and we don’t need people sitting around doing nothing but eating our very scarce food. I don’t want to post on a public board what has happened (my dad was there and probably should not have told me but I’m glad he did) but needless to say it’s quite disturbing and makes me want to tell the NG to get the hell out of our parish. The RedCross and others who are there to genuinely help are more than welcome, we’ll give them hugs and welcome them as best we can (hard to do standing in need deep mud but we’d do our best!) But the NG is just inhibiting the efforts of local officials and good samaritans. Sort of sounds like she feels as if there is an occupying army in her area , now doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/233 "2005-09-27T18:08:52Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Cheers, dear. 😉 Sorta like a Scott Plaid with better grammar, eh? ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/234 "2005-09-27T22:10:39Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Guess you’ve never heard of Fox News and its imitators in cable news, nor of right-wing talk radio, nor of the right-wing think-tanks or blogs or whatever. No Rush Limbaugh, no Bill O’Reilly, no Hindrocket, no Michelle Malkin. You forgot Ann “Blow up the NY times” Coulter ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/235 "2005-09-27T22:51:56Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Sorta like a Scott Plaid with better grammar, eh? Actually, you are right, i"As for your delight in my exposition of my mistake to other members of the board here, I’m more than willing to let my posting record stand on its own." does sound like something I would say. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/236 "2005-09-28T00:00:57Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] she thinks that the armed military presence (not their logistical talents, not the search-and-rescue efforts, but clearly the armed presence) in New Orleans, 18 days after Katrina, was rather excessive. I’ve yet to see it demonstrated that there’s no argument for that position. Isn’t the National Guard pretty much always armed, being military and all? Seems pretty silly to me to disregard their logistical talents and search-and-rescure efforts and focus on the fact that they were armed. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/237 "2005-09-28T16:31:51Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > > [@RTFirefly](#): > > > > she thinks that the armed military presence (not their logistical talents, not the search-and-rescue efforts, but clearly the armed presence) in New Orleans, 18 days after Katrina, was rather excessive. I’ve yet to see it demonstrated that there’s no argument for that position. > > Isn’t the National Guard pretty much always armed, being military and all? > > Seems pretty silly to me to disregard their logistical talents and search-and-rescure efforts and focus on the fact that they were armed. :rolleyes: Look up ‘distinguish’ and ‘disregard’ in your dictionary. These are not synonyms. There were surely military in N.O. at that time who were doing logistical or rescue operations with a sidearm incidentally strapped to their hips. But judging from pictures and press accounts, there were also a lot of military in N.O. at that time who were seemingly doing neither, but were rather walking around holding big damn guns out in front of them. ---
**Author:** ![zeeny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zeeny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zeeny)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/238 "2005-09-29T00:10:45Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Oh, believe me, I was fighting the impulse to insult the shit out of you the entire time I was composing that post, but I managed to restrain myself. But **Starving Artist** , you _didn’t_ restrain yourself. Not completely. Your post was meant as an insult to me. That was obvious. But you chose an indirect (and IMO, less honest) way to do that. I’m not especially proud of my posts in this thread. Raw emotion is a vulnerability, and rarely comfortable - for either the ventee, or those reading along. But as far as I know, this is the appropriate forum for venting and ranting, however childish. Isn’t that so? In fact, this particular forum (the Pit), is why a friend referred me here in the first place, after I complained about the indirect anger and insults on another messageboard we frequent. Is your passive-aggressive anger more appropriate (or mature, or valid) than my direct replies? Or are you only fooling yourself with that rationale? Something to think about. I’ll give you this: I am thinking about it too. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/239 "2005-09-29T02:30:57Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Guess you’ve never heard of Fox News and its imitators in cable news, nor of right-wing talk radio, nor of the right-wing think-tanks or blogs or whatever. No Rush Limbaugh, no Bill O’Reilly, no Hindrocket, no Michelle Malkin. Echo chambers. I want echo chambers. Did those sources all call Cindy Sheehan deluded? > [@](#): > > As I said in response to **Updike** : If you’ve got a better response than **Updike** had, go for it. Ok. You said: > [@](#): > > she thinks that the armed military presence (not their logistical talents, not the search-and-rescue efforts, but clearly the armed presence) in New Orleans, 18 days after Katrina, was rather excessive. I’ve yet to see it demonstrated that there’s no argument for that position. First, that’s not what I heard her say. You’re putting thoughts into her head. Secondly, your logic is backwards. It’s not for me or anyone to prove that there is “no argument” for a given position, it is up to the person making the argument to demonstrate that it **has** merit. > [@](#): > > So, as of September 16, were marauding gangs in New Orleans still being kept under control only by a massive armed presence, or was this show of force taking place in a practically empty city? I don’t know, and AFAICT, you haven’t said. A false premise. What makes you so sure that the ongoing presence is to protect against “marauding gangs?” Are they not controlling access to the city? Handing out food and water? rebuilding levees? FYI, the Coast Guard which rescued so many, so admirably is part of the armed forces. > [@](#): > > But unless you can furnish evidence that Sheehan should have known that that latter alternative wasn’t in fact a possibility, ISTM that talk of ‘delusions’ is waaaay overstated here. Not at all. Calling it an occupation **is** delusional. “Occupation” suggests the armed forces have taken control of foreign sovereign ground to displace the previous government. Neither of those conditions have been met. Like I said. “Delusional.” ---
**Author:** ![zeeny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zeeny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zeeny)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071/240 "2005-09-29T03:12:16Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Not at all. Calling it an occupation **is** delusional. “Occupation” suggests the armed forces have taken control of foreign sovereign ground to displace the previous government. Neither of those conditions have been met. > > Like I said. “Delusional.” Ooh! A semantical nit-pick! Something a not-very-smart person might pick up on? Or perhaps it is a modern-day last refuge of scoundrels? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-has-lost-her-ever-loving-mind/322071.md?page=13)