# Cindy Sheehan is a toolbag. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2006, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454 "2006-02-01T02:24:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/281 "2006-02-03T23:23:35Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > That’s not what I’m talking about. > > I mean this thread has basically gone like this > > - She’s a bitch she did x > > - No she did not do x > > - Well she’s still a bitch cause she did y > > - She didn’t do y either > > - She’s still a bitch coz she could have done z > > - How do you know she was going to do z > > - She’s a bitch. > > There’s lots of other BS in this thread but the above is what has driven in. > > In short **Airman** doesn’t like or agree with CS and no matter what is said in this thread that will not change. The banner/t-shirt/whatever is just something for him to hang it on. Spot on. They shoot horses, don’t they? What about severely lame threads? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/282 "2006-02-04T00:46:59Z")
RE: the excerpt in \*\*jlzania’s[/]b post above: Complete text [here](http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-sheehan3feb03,0,2174577.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions). ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/283 "2006-02-04T19:39:53Z")
> [@jlzania](#): > > Last summer, I meet Steve Laford-one of the Goldstar Family for Peace members. > Steve’s son was killed in 2004 and, when his face is in repose, he is one of the saddest looking men I’ve ever seen. > He thanked me for working in the kitchen all day and I muttered something about it being the least I could do to prevent more deaths. > He smiled and said “It will always be too later for me.” > I think that’s one of the things that drives Cindy-no matter what she does, it will always be too late for Casey. And this is what pisses me off about her. Casey’s life was no longer her direct responsibility. He was no longer a minor, a child, but a grown man who consciously chose to enlist in the military not once, but _twice_. Even in the middle of a war. He was a grown man. He made his own choices. Right or wrong, they were his to make. He knew the potential consequences, and _chose_ to take that risk. It’s not Cindy’s fault. There was nothing else she could do short of voting for Kerry and anti-war Congresscritters. It’s way past time for her to cut the umbilical cord _and_ the apron strings. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/284 "2006-02-04T19:45:49Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > He was a grown man. He made his own choices. Right or wrong, they were his to make. He knew the potential consequences, and _chose_ to take that risk. It’s not Cindy’s fault. There was nothing else she could do short of voting for Kerry and anti-war Congresscritters. I’m willing to bet that you aren’t a Mother. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/285 "2006-02-04T19:54:43Z")
Oh, the sanctimony in this thread is reaching critical levels. I wonder how all of you would be reacting if Cindy Sheehan strongly supported the war, and was travelling the country giving speeches in favor of the war, engaging in anti-protests against MoveOn and other groups, writing Op-Eds in support of the war, etc. Let’s stipulate that she was doing this because she wanted the U.S. to win because she’s wracked with grief over the death of her son and believes that winning the war will at least mean he didn’t die pointlessly. How much blather about the unassailable rights of a war mother would we be hearing from the left then? How much sympathy would there be for her? How much of a pass would she be given because of her grief? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/286 "2006-02-04T19:56:02Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > And this is what pisses me off about her. Casey’s life was no longer her direct responsibility. He was no longer a minor, a child, but a grown man who consciously chose to enlist in the military not once, but _twice_. Even in the middle of a war. > > He was a grown man. He made his own choices. Right or wrong, they were his to make. He knew the potential consequences, and _chose_ to take that risk. It’s not Cindy’s fault. There was nothing else she could do short of voting for Kerry and anti-war Congresscritters. > > It’s way past time for her to cut the umbilical cord _and_ the apron strings. It doesn’t matter. ANY parent who has ever outlived one of their children-whether that child be 3 or 73, it doesn’t matter-it will still lead to feelings of guilt and anguish. My grandparents have never really gotten over my aunt dying when she was 39, and I think it really fucked up my grandmother. Since then, she’s become bitter, nasty, and very anti-social. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/287 "2006-02-04T19:57:37Z")
How many handcuffs would she be wearing on her way out of congress? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/288 "2006-02-04T20:00:47Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > . . . > > I respectfully submit that she was, in fact, disrupting something, unless you think that she was specifically targeted for arrest and ejection. A disruption does not have to be a lot of sound and fury, it can be something as simple as wearing a t-shirt. It happens all the time throughout the country, particularly at schools, where clothing is often seen as a disruption. No. The disruption happened around her. The disruption was in the reaction. If the PTB had been more respectful of her right to free speech, they would have respectfully ignored her. There would have been no disruption; only speech. Silent, nondisruptive speech. The disruption was a result of the attempt to abridge her right; not of her attempt to exercise it. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/289 "2006-02-04T20:01:17Z")
I’m not sure what your point is, **Sam**. It’s already been agreed that the senator’s wife who wore the tshirt in support of the war should’ve been allowed to stay as well. Quashing the first amendment isn’t a Republican/Democrat issue. It’s a civil rights issue. It shouldn’t matter what side of the fence a person comes down on, we should all be against it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/290 "2006-02-04T20:03:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > ANY parent who has ever outlived one of their children- Infinitely better expressed than my attempt. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/291 "2006-02-04T20:07:10Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Oh, the sanctimony in this thread is reaching critical levels. > > I wonder how all of you would be reacting if Cindy Sheehan strongly supported the war, and was travelling the country giving speeches in favor of the war, engaging in anti-protests against MoveOn and other groups, writing Op-Eds in support of the war, etc. Let’s stipulate that she was doing this because she wanted the U.S. to win because she’s wracked with grief over the death of her son and believes that winning the war will at least mean he didn’t die pointlessly. > > How much blather about the unassailable rights of a war mother would we be hearing from the left then? How much sympathy would there be for her? How much of a pass would she be given because of her grief? If she was arrested for such speech? Roughly the same, I’d wager. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/292 "2006-02-04T20:33:33Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > If she was arrested for such speech? Roughly the same, I’d wager. Who is Beverly Young ? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/293 "2006-02-04T20:37:21Z")
> [@The Flying Dutchman](#): > > Who is Beverly Young ? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/294 "2006-02-04T22:53:53Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Well, if it were Michael moore’s jacket, it would also count as a banner… 😃 Mine, too! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/295 "2006-02-05T02:27:13Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Oh, the sanctimony in this thread is reaching critical levels. > > I wonder how all of you would be reacting if Cindy Sheehan strongly supported the war, and was travelling the country giving speeches in favor of the war, engaging in anti-protests against MoveOn and other groups, writing Op-Eds in support of the war, etc. Let’s stipulate that she was doing this because she wanted the U.S. to win because she’s wracked with grief over the death of her son and believes that winning the war will at least mean he didn’t die pointlessly. > > How much blather about the unassailable rights of a war mother would we be hearing from the left then? How much sympathy would there be for her? How much of a pass would she be given because of her grief? Look, lots of people are already doing all this, with the only difference that nobody associated with them has served in Iraq. What has our response been for the past three years? We’ve refuted their lousy arguments over and over again, and after awhile simply ridiculed them for making the same idiotic arguments all over again. But we’ve never said they should be arrested, or denied the right to make their arguments, no matter how dumb they are. Digression: the local classic-rock station is doing a “30 years in 30 days” deal, and today’s year is 1969, so I’m typing this to Country Joe and the Fish singing, “And it’s one, two, three, what are we fighting for?” Seemed apropos. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/296 "2006-02-05T02:33:33Z")
The local news had a blurb on Sheehan tonight wrt her talk about running for the Senate. She said Feinstein was out of touch with reality. Right, Cindy. Feinstein is out of touch with reality. :rolleyes: Someone please tell this woman her 15 minutes were up a long time ago. We don’t need more professional victims around here. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/297 "2006-02-05T17:31:05Z")
> [@The Flying Dutchman](#): > > Who is Beverly Young ? To answer your assertion to **Sam** , she was ejected at the same time as Sheehan, for supporting the troops, but the affront to her rights has hardly raised a whimper here . ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/298 "2006-02-05T17:32:23Z")
The previous post is for **Lissener** ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/299 "2006-02-05T17:36:58Z")
> [@The Flying Dutchman](#): > > To answer your assertion to **Sam** , she was ejected at the same time as Sheehan, for supporting the troops, but the affront to her rights has hardly raised a whimper here . Note that only Sheehan was arrested, though. And I don’t think it fair to compare the two anyway, at least not in terms of level of outrage here. Sheehan got the lion’s share of the news reporting. Young was typically mentioned only in passing, while Sheehan got the headlines. That’s just life in the fast lane. Sheehan has national name recognition; Young does not. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454/300 "2006-02-05T17:41:51Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Note that only Sheehan was arrested, though. Could it be because Young did not resist ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-is-a-toolbag/342454.md?page=16)