It matters because, at least in theory, he’s President of all the people, not just the President of the GOP.
Can’t argue with that. Lacking a counterexample, it seems everything CS does isn’t going to please AD. But we could be proven wrong, perhaps CS will someday do something that will garner praise and adulation from AD.
It does sound fun.
I would, pace my earlier post in this thread, argue that applause and standing ovations should be banned during both speeches. Those ovations are extremely annoying, and completely pointless.
You are absolutely right, of course.
However, having met Cindy several times, I get a little sick of her being portrayed
as a shrill harpy.
I don’t see her being held up as a hero. At first, yes. But more and more she’s looked on with pity and contempt.
I find her annoying, sure. But I do think she has a good point. My aunt and uncle have a banner hanging over their garage with the number of soldiers killed with a big, sarcastic, “Thanks Bush!” and “Support Our Troops-BRING THEM HOME!” They have a son, my cousin, in Iraq now. Are they being shrill toolbags?
No, because they are on their own property and not disrupting anything.
The US Capitol is “our” property and Cindy Sheehan was not disrupting anything.
Yeah, just yesterday I went over to the Home Depot to pick out carpet and paint samples. They had some light fixtures that I think would go GREAT in the dome.
Damn guards wouldn’t even let me rearrange the tables…
You know Airman, sometimes I think Cindy is wracked with guilt-guilt for surviving Casey and guilt for not trying harder to dissuade him from enlisting.
As a mother, I think she really struggles with a lot of “what-if’s”.
And she is very determined to prevent other military families from hearing that knock at the door.
Yes, it is an obsession with her right now.
Last summer, I meet Steve Laford-one of the Goldstar Family for Peace members.
Steve’s son was killed in 2004 and, when his face is in repose, he is one of the saddest looking men I’ve ever seen.
He thanked me for working in the kitchen all day and I muttered something about it being the least I could do to prevent more deaths.
He smiled and said “It will always be too later for me.”
I think that’s one of the things that drives Cindy-no matter what she does, it will always be too late for Casey.
Fine. Go live in “your property”. Why do you ideologically attempt to maintain this fiction?
I respectfully submit that she was, in fact, disrupting something, unless you think that she was specifically targeted for arrest and ejection. A disruption does not have to be a lot of sound and fury, it can be something as simple as wearing a t-shirt. It happens all the time throughout the country, particularly at schools, where clothing is often seen as a disruption.
Well, given that Bomb Bay Doors is around lends one to believe so…
That’s along the lines of saying you should be able to wander the Pentagon because it’s “our” property. :rolleyes: It’s property belonging to the US Government, it’s not public property.
And Airman back in 1971, SCOTUS ruled that T-shirts were protected under freedom of speech in Cohen vs. California so Cindy was simply exercising her rights under the law.
Why do you think that I don’t understand that? I was there for the funeral of a friend who came home in pieces because of an IED. Do you think that I don’t know what it’s like to lose a friend/family member/whatever? I do. But that does not give me the right to do whatever I want to do. I did my protest in the last election by voting for Kerry. That’s all I can do. She chooses to march and demonstrate, that’s fine. But there are times and places where that is inappropriate. Do you defend Idiot Phelps when he protests funerals? I hope not.
Agreed. It will always be too late. What she’s doing overall is fine with me. But what she did the other night was not.
Obviously there are areas that for reasons of security that the public cannot wander. But the Capitol is indeed public property. You can say it belongs to the US Government, but then who does the US Government belong to?
But,as others have repeatedly pointed out to you, Airmen by wearing that T-shirt, Cindy wasn’t breaking any law.
Don’t you think that’s the salient point here?
And whether you believe it or not, she really wasn’t setting out to disrupt anything.
Here’s an excerpt from an email letter she sent out:
Boldening mine.
Of course, you do and far better than I do-I don’t have any skin in the game.
I’m sorry if you thought I was implying otherwise.
The US Government is its own entity, governed by people chosen by the citizens. It isn’t yours just as you can’t order an Federal Marshal around because ‘you’ pay his salary. You cannot wander anywhere you want in the Capitol, especially the HoR chamber. You can’t just wander into the White House whenever you feel. If they have dictations on what is acceptable attire, then one must aquiesce. If not, toss on the flip flops if you so feel.
from the link:
Someone in DC took personal responsibility for something that went wrong!? I’m astounded!
Interesting that it took 76 posts to get Sheehan’s own side of this into the thread. (76…hmmmm, remind anyone of some other protesters?) It’s typical, too that many would jump on Sheehan for “unfurling a banner” when all she did was open her jacket.
Well, if it were Michael moore’s jacket, it would also count as a banner…
Actually, the fact that it was a shirt and not a banner was brought up in post #18, on page 1.
But don’t let the facts get in the way of your ire.