# Cindy Sheehan-Please Go Away! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 11, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399 "2009-06-11T00:18:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/1 "2009-06-11T00:18:25Z")
For the love of God will this woman ever go away? [The story](http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/parkcities/stories/0608dnmetsheehan.5ec7b6ba.html) She has lost her mind. Seriously. A book deal? Bush is NOT the President. He’s history. So are you. Your 15 minutes are up. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/2 "2009-06-11T00:23:55Z")
> [@](#): > > “We can’t move forward until those criminals are in prison,” she said in a brief speech to the protesters in front of John J. Pershing Elementary School. > > “There are still two wars raging. I’ll never be able to get over the death of my son.” > … > “I don’t expect George Bush to come out of his house and turn himself in,” Sheehan said before the half-mile march. “But I think it’s important to call attention to what we believe are high crimes and misdemeanors against humanity.” Makes sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/3 "2009-06-11T00:26:04Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Makes sense to me. Me too. Just because he isn’t president anymore doesn’t mean anyone has to forgive and forget. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/4 "2009-06-11T01:06:20Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > For the love of God will this woman ever go away? > > [The story](http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/parkcities/stories/0608dnmetsheehan.5ec7b6ba.html) > > She has lost her mind. Seriously. A book deal? > > Bush is NOT the President. He’s history. So are you. Your 15 minutes are up. She makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. What, exactly, troubles you about what she’s saying? Besides the continuing embarrassment of Bush’s term as POTUS of course. Want it gone? Then, as she writes, deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/5 "2009-06-11T02:05:07Z")
Sorry, you put the gold plating on this idol - she’s all yours ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/6 "2009-06-11T02:16:10Z")
Thing is, those things aren’t all she says - and some of those other things cost her some considerable support. She had a lot of allies here when she started her crusade, and over the next few years she alienated most of them. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/7 "2009-06-11T03:12:13Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > She makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. She’s clearly mentally unstable. How often do you think that the mentally unstable “make a hell of a lot of sense”? ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/8 "2009-06-11T03:17:57Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > She’s clearly mentally unstable. How often do you think that the mentally unstable “make a hell of a lot of sense”? If I lost one of my sons to that mess created by Bush and cronies, I’d be mentally unstable, too. I’d also want answers, and I’d want to be able to hold someone accountable, too. And I would not go away. Why should she? If people don’t want to hear what she’s saying or read what she’s writing, they can ignore her. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/9 "2009-06-11T03:44:24Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > She’s clearly mentally unstable. How often do you think that the mentally unstable “make a hell of a lot of sense”? What part of that quote do you find indicative that she is mentally unstable? Because it makes a lot of sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/10 "2009-06-11T03:50:33Z")
I’m a liberal, and she has always seemed to me to be a one trick pony. She bugs me. ---
**Author:** ![SamBass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@SamBass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamBass)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/11 "2009-06-11T03:57:45Z")
“Myth America: 10 Greatest Myths of the Robber Class and the Case for Revolution” ??? I have no intention of reading the book, so I can only guess that her ghost writer somehow weaves her antiwar stance into something that sounds more like a tome on class warfare. Seriously, I can’t picture her even coming up with a snappy title by herself. I’ll just wait for the reviews. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/12 "2009-06-11T04:00:42Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Thing is, those things aren’t all she says - and some of those other things cost her some considerable support. She had a lot of allies here when she started her crusade, and over the next few years she alienated most of them. Thats very true, but in this particular case everything shes said makes sense. She does say some pretty crazy stuff once in a while though, that doesn’t mean shes not right in this instance. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/13 "2009-06-11T04:02:10Z")
> [@](#): > > But I think it’s important to call attention to what we believe are **high crimes and misdemeanors** against humanity. It’s a bit late in the game to still be looking to impeach Bush, no? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/14 "2009-06-11T04:04:38Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > She’s clearly mentally unstable. How often do you think that the mentally unstable “make a hell of a lot of sense”? No doubt you’re far better qualified that I to respond to that. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/15 "2009-06-11T04:18:17Z")
> [@Alice\_The\_Goon](#): > > If I lost one of my sons to that mess created by Bush and cronies, I’d be mentally unstable, too. I’d also want answers, and I’d want to be able to hold someone accountable, too. And I would not go away. Why should she? If people don’t want to hear what she’s saying or read what she’s writing, they can ignore her. It’s obviously much much easier to make her a target of scorn and ridicule as shown by this thread – simply the Roveian-Republican Way; smear and when you can’t back it up, smear some more. The tough part is actually responding to her queries. As you can see no one has dared address the issue of her so-called ‘mental problems’ vis-a-vis her claims on this particular Pitting. Is it really any wonder? Certainly not news to me. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/16 "2009-06-11T14:32:47Z")
Why the shock that she got a book deal? Fucking Joe the Plumber got a book deal. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/17 "2009-06-11T14:54:04Z")
That’s different, if he reads four books over the summer, he gets a freebie at Chuck E. Cheese. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/18 "2009-06-11T15:13:52Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > It’s obviously much much easier to make her a target of scorn and ridicule as shown by this thread – simply the Roveian-Republican Way; smear and when you can’t back it up, smear some more. The tough part is actually responding to her queries. Oh, I’ll respond to her queries anyday - more than I can say for many liberals on these boards (and off) who were quick to label her unstable the second it became clear that she was going to be a public relations problem for the antiwar movement. You can look back at my numerous criticisms of Sheehan - not only have I never called her crazy I have specifically said that I don’t think she’s crazy. Of course, that means she has to take responsibility for her views and actions, and others have to decide whether they agree and want to help, or don’t agree and want to leave her alone. Personally, I don’t agree and I want to leave her alone. Even leaving aside some of the more unpleasant baggage (the radical politics, the vague anti-Semitism in her remarks, the attacking of formerly sympathetic politicians because they didn’t agree with her down the line) there is the question of why we should care what she says at all, at least more than what other people say. She lost a son in the war - but a less reported fact is that her son had reenlisted after the beginning of the Iraq War knowing his unit would be sent there. And while Cindy Sheehan is free to see his death as a futile act, I wonder whether she should presume to speak for Casey. His actions prior to his death indicate that he may not have seen things in quite the same way. Additionally, there are many families that have lost sons and daughters and husbands and sisters and the like. Some see things as Cindy Sheehan does, but certainly not all do, and some of the ones who don’t have been pretty vocal about that fact. [“I lost a son in Iraq and Cindy Sheehan does not speak for me.”](http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007122) So there you go. I don’t dismiss Sheehan as irrelevant or crazy. But taking her message on and seeing exactly where it fits is necessary - and frankly it doesn’t go too far with me. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/19 "2009-06-11T15:23:45Z")
So you be buying her book then? ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399/20 "2009-06-11T15:46:43Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Oh, I’ll respond to her queries anyday - more than I can say for many liberals on these boards (and off) who were quick to label her unstable the second it became clear that she was going to be a public relations problem for the antiwar movement. > > You can look back at my numerous criticisms of Sheehan - not only have I never called her crazy I have specifically said that I don’t think she’s crazy. Of course, that means she has to take responsibility for her views and actions, and others have to decide whether they agree and want to help, or don’t agree and want to leave her alone. > > Personally, I don’t agree and I want to leave her alone. Even leaving aside some of the more unpleasant baggage (the radical politics, the vague anti-Semitism in her remarks, the attacking of formerly sympathetic politicians because they didn’t agree with her down the line) there is the question of why we should care what she says at all, at least more than what other people say. > > She lost a son in the war - but a less reported fact is that her son had reenlisted after the beginning of the Iraq War knowing his unit would be sent there. And while Cindy Sheehan is free to see his death as a futile act, I wonder whether she should presume to speak for Casey. His actions prior to his death indicate that he may not have seen things in quite the same way. > > Additionally, there are many families that have lost sons and daughters and husbands and sisters and the like. Some see things as Cindy Sheehan does, but certainly not all do, and some of the ones who don’t have been pretty vocal about that fact. > > [“I lost a son in Iraq and Cindy Sheehan does not speak for me.”](http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007122) > > So there you go. I don’t dismiss Sheehan as irrelevant or crazy. But taking her message on and seeing exactly where it fits is necessary - and frankly it doesn’t go too far with me. But it goes further with some people who feel more like her. Your post might not totally agree with **RedFury** ’s or mine but it agrees with both of us in that the OP is wrong when he says Sheehan is crazy and should go away. She is supporting a point of view which resonates with many people, which you ackowledge even if you do not share it entirely. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cindy-sheehan-please-go-away/499399.md?page=2)