# Circumcision **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [January 4, 2013, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048 "2013-01-04T12:34:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/41 "2013-01-22T00:49:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Tell ya what, Guin. Let’s set up a time and place to have your clitoral hood removed. Banana’s have clitorises? Huh, I’ll be damned. ---
**Author:** ![joojoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ebca7d/32.png) [@joojoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joojoo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/42 "2013-01-27T00:39:20Z")
Sad to see a biased article by Cecil, in giving a lopsided perspective. Whether or not one is circumcised does affect one’s opinion(yes, like it does mine). Masturbation was not taboo in my culture (India). So we do not practice circumcision, amputees of any kind are considered incomplete compared to the evolved body. The origin of the practice of circumcision had little to do with the health benefits being touted today to propagate it, research suggests we got HIV from monkeys in 1930. Any attempt to justify circumcision is just that, (post calamity)justification. God forbid if in your system circumcision were to be financially or otherwise beneficial to the hospitals or government bodies, rest assured it will never be discontinued. Doctors of the world through ages must have been dumb to not come up with this little trick the Jews(because it is written in their hebrew bible… doh) the Muslims and the USA practice. straight dope is dopey and not always straight P.S. funny thought- Just suppose for a moment if circumcision was discredited in your country, how stupid some people will look with the skin of their dick cut off …on flimsy grounds? what will they do circumcision proponents are no better than these guys [link redacted;’ adult content not otherwise marked] ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/43 "2013-01-27T01:39:52Z")
> [@joojoo](#): > > Sad to see a biased article by Cecil, in giving a lopsided perspective. Whether or not one is circumcised does affect one’s opinion(yes, like it does mine). > > Masturbation was not taboo in my culture (India). So we do not practice circumcision, > amputees of any kind are considered incomplete compared to the evolved body. > > The origin of the practice of circumcision had little to do with the health benefits being touted today to propagate it, research suggests we got HIV from monkeys in 1930. > > Any attempt to justify circumcision is just that, (post calamity)justification. God forbid if in your system circumcision were to be financially or otherwise beneficial to the hospitals or government bodies, rest assured it will never be discontinued. > > Doctors of the world through ages must have been dumb to not come up with this little trick the Jews(because it is written in their hebrew bible.. doh) the Muslims and the USA practice. > > straight dope is dopey and not always straight > > P.S. funny thought- Just suppose for a moment if circumcision was discredited in your country, how stupid some people will look with the skin of their dick cut off ..on flimsy grounds? what will they do > circumcision proponents are no better than these guys _Our_ bias? ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/44 "2013-01-27T02:42:49Z")
> [@joojoo](#): > > Sad to see a biased article by Cecil, in giving a lopsided perspective. Whether or not one is circumcised does affect one’s opinion(yes, like it does mine). > > Masturbation was not taboo in my culture (India). So we do not practice circumcision, > amputees of any kind are considered incomplete compared to the evolved body. > > The origin of the practice of circumcision had little to do with the health benefits being touted today to propagate it, research suggests we got HIV from monkeys in 1930. > > Any attempt to justify circumcision is just that, (post calamity)justification. God forbid if in your system circumcision were to be financially or otherwise beneficial to the hospitals or government bodies, rest assured it will never be discontinued. > > Doctors of the world through ages must have been dumb to not come up with this little trick the Jews(because it is written in their hebrew bible.. doh) the Muslims and the USA practice. > > straight dope is dopey and not always straight > > P.S. funny thought- Just suppose for a moment if circumcision was discredited in your country, how stupid some people will look with the skin of their dick cut off ..on flimsy grounds? what will they do > circumcision proponents are no better than these guys [link redacted;’ adult content not otherwise marked] Couple of things here. 1. Any link that you post to this message board that is not work safe (has adult or other objectionable content) must have a least two links that must be clicked through to get to the content. Also a text warning with it that the material is adult themed or otherwise not Sunday School safe. Since you didn’t do that I have removed the link. 1. Obviously you’re coming from a different cultural place than this message board and the community that supports it. Being ignorant and offensive is not a good way to start. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/45 "2013-01-27T02:57:17Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Couple of things here. > > 1. Any link that you post to this message board that is not work safe (has adult or other objectionable content) must have a least two links that must be clicked through to get to the content. Also a text warning with it that the material is adult themed or otherwise not Sunday School safe. > > Since you didn’t do that I have removed the link. > > 1. Obviously you’re coming from a different cultural place than this message board and the community that supports it. Being ignorant and offensive is not a good way to start. Could you please break the link in my quote, also? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/46 "2013-01-28T16:02:33Z")
> [@joojoo](#): > > The origin of the practice of circumcision had little to do with the health benefits being touted today to propagate it, True, but does not have a bearing on the health benefits. Those stand or fall on their own merits. > [@](#): > > research suggests we got HIV from monkeys in 1930. Yes, but irrelevant. Human populations now have HIV. ---
**Author:** ![TLCTugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@TLCTugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TLCTugger)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/47 "2013-01-29T07:26:49Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > health benefits. Those stand or fall on their own merits. Infant circumcision has “an absence of medical benefits and danger of complications” says the Dutch Pediatricians Association [http://knmg.artsennet.nl/Publicaties/KNMGpublicatie/Nontherapeutic-circumcision-of-male-minors-2010.htm](http://knmg.artsennet.nl/Publicaties/KNMGpublicatie/Nontherapeutic-circumcision-of-male-minors-2010.htm) The benefits that supposedly accrue to adults are highly suspect [http://www.kinderaerzte-im-netz.de/bvkj/kinpopup/psfile/pdf/70/121126\_Ste50aa5e211e6a6.pdf](http://www.kinderaerzte-im-netz.de/bvkj/kinpopup/psfile/pdf/70/121126_Ste50aa5e211e6a6.pdf) says the German Pediatrics Association. > [@Irishman](#): > > Human populations now have HIV. In Uganda they showed that cutting men made them 50% MORE likely to infect their partners with HIV. [http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60998-3/abstract](http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60998-3/abstract) Until this finding is verified or refuted it is very unethical to claim anything at all about HIV and circumcision. The added risk to women (who are far more likely to acquire HIV through sex) utterly washes away any supposed slight change in risk to men. And that male risk effect is just not seen elsewhere when a cadre of circumcision promoters is not in control of the studies [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02871.x/abstract](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02871.x/abstract) . In half of African nations it is the circumcised who have markedly higher HIV incidence. [http://www.circumstitions.com/Docs/garenne-2.pdf](http://www.circumstitions.com/Docs/garenne-2.pdf) Most of the US men who have died of AIDS were circumcised at birth. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/48 "2013-01-29T16:01:03Z")
> [@TLCTugger](#): > > … Americans, who get paid per procedure rather than per well patient and who managed to assemble a committee with not one foreskin among them, can not? … Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048/49 "2013-01-30T20:19:25Z")
**TLCTugger** , I am not disputing your claims, that why I said “stand or fall”. I am merely pointing out the ridiculous arguments by **joojoo** , because ridiculous arguments do no one any good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/circumcision/646048.md?page=2)