# Cisco would like to pit me **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2007, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973 "2007-03-22T03:06:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/41 "2007-03-23T17:00:33Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] I have to take that back. I just went to go read the thread again, and everyone’s being all nice, now. Whodathunkit? [/QUOTE] Don’t be discouraged. You’ll find a shit pile somewhere. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/42 "2007-03-23T17:08:37Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Don’t be discouraged. You’ll find a shit pile somewhere. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Don’t look at me, I clean up after myself. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/43 "2007-03-23T17:10:39Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Don’t look at me, I clean up after myself. 😉 [/QUOTE] And others too, that’s the beauty of it! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/44 "2007-03-23T17:13:42Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] “Albinos have blue eyes” is not the same as “All albinos have blue eyes.” The two sentences mean different things. The first can, in some contexts, be interpreted as “Some very few albinos have blue eyes.” In other contexts it can be interpreted as “Some very many albinos have blue eyes.” In other contexts it can be interpreted as “Most albinos have blue eyes.” In some contexts, “Typically, albinos have blue eyes.” And in some contexts, “All albinos have blue eyes.” -FrL- [/QUOTE] Women are stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/45 "2007-03-23T17:20:27Z")
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**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/46 "2007-03-23T17:22:35Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] I dun’ geddit. [/QUOTE] Which, sadly enough, is precisely the point **Contrapuntal** was making. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/47 "2007-03-23T17:22:36Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Women are stupid. [/QUOTE] I believe the correct interpretation of your saying that here is as a joking attempt to communicate that all women are stupid. I’m not sure whether you intended to illustrate my point, or somehow offer an argument against it? -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/48 "2007-03-23T17:23:40Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Which, sadly enough, is precisely the point **Contrapuntal** was making. [/QUOTE] Actually, I got it. You posted too fast. 😛 -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/49 "2007-03-23T19:42:08Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] I believe the correct interpretation of your saying that here is as a joking attempt to communicate that all women are stupid. I’m not sure whether you intended to illustrate my point, or somehow offer an argument against it? -FrL- [/QUOTE] I guess that I am either saying that some few women are stupid, or that most women are stupid, or that sometimes women are stupid. Or I could be just be saying that women are stupid. Qualifying a blanket statement is so very easy to do, and, I believe, it is incumbent upon the speaker of a statement to do so, let the dumb bitch be misunderstood. Which will probably happen anyway. See axiom A. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/50 "2007-03-23T19:50:59Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] I guess that I am either saying that some few women are stupid, or that most women are stupid, or that sometimes women are stupid. Or I could be just be saying that women are stupid. Qualifying a blanket statement is so very easy to do, and, I believe, it is incumbent upon the speaker of a statement to do so, let the dumb bitch be misunderstood. Which will probably happen anyway. See axiom A. [/QUOTE] What he said. Besides, the context of that statement was roughly: Poster 1 said something like “All she needs are red eyes and then she’d be an albino” - Poster 2 said “Actually, albinos have blue eyes” - which to me sounds as if Poster 2 is correcting Poster 1 and basically stating that there are no albinos with red eyes. All Poster 2 ( **PerditaX** ) had to do was to add a four-letter word: “Actually, MOST albinos have blue eyes.” What I find annoying is **PerditaX** ’s attitude, as if she inadverdently posted on a touchy topic that has set off some kind of profound debate. There is no “can of worms” here, only a lack of clarification of what is arguably a blanket statement. What part of “Sorry, I should have been more clear” is so difficult to say? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/51 "2007-03-23T20:18:26Z")
Post 49 should read “\*lest \*the dumb bitch be misunderstood.” ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/52 "2007-03-23T20:28:44Z")
Where is that site that compares two search terms on the internet? Geek fight or something. I was gonna enter Cisco and FryLock to see who won but now I’m more worried that something has happened to my Google skills. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/53 "2007-03-23T20:57:13Z")
[QUOTE=UncleRojelio] Where is that site that compares two search terms on the internet? [/QUOTE] [Googlefight](http://www.googlefight.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/54 "2007-03-23T21:08:56Z")
Wow, I clobbered Diogenes the Cynic! 82,900,000 to 88,000. Woo hoo! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/55 "2007-03-23T21:11:47Z")
You should see what you did to poor **lissener**. Though, to be fair, almost anyone can clobber him. 583? Pathetic! ---
**Author:** ![PerditaX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@PerditaX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PerditaX)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/56 "2007-03-24T00:34:33Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Your “/nitpick/” was a false one. You didn’t say “_Most_ albinos have blue eyes” you said “Albinos have blue eyes”. **Cisco** corrected you. All you had to do was admit to your mistake and then move on. I really don’t understand why it all degenerated to the point where a Pit thread was necessary. [/QUOTE] Dearheart, I didn’t degenerate it. It was Frylock (coming to my defense, to be sure) and Cisco who took it to Pit level. I didn’t “admit my mistake” because I wasn’t convinced I’d made one, frankly. See, I know a person who is a blue-eyed albino. What I had been given to understand **from her** is that, as opposed to albino animals who are pink-eyed, albino humans were blue-eyed. She never said “most,” and I assumed she’d be in a position to know. Okay, apparently some albino humans are red-eyed. I guess this is good to know now. I believe that, at that point, I conceded that I was incorrect in not adding a “most,” and attempted to stop the flaming at that point. So _how_ exactly is this my fault? ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/57 "2007-03-24T01:01:20Z")
[QUOTE=PerditaX] Dearheart, I didn’t degenerate it. [/quote] I wasn’t referring to you personally, I meant the situation itself degenerated. > [@](#): > > I didn’t “admit my mistake” because I wasn’t convinced I’d made one, frankly. See, I know a person who is a blue-eyed albino. What I had been given to understand **from her** is that, as opposed to albino animals who are pink-eyed, albino humans were blue-eyed. She never said “most,” and I assumed she’d be in a position to know. > > Okay, apparently some albino humans are red-eyed. I guess this is good to know now. Glad to see you’re so dedicated to fighting your own ignorance. When **Cisco** pointed out that there are, in fact, pink-eyed albino humans and not just blue-eyed ones, this is how you responded: > [@](#): > > Look up Albino in Wiki - there are several variant forms of albinism, only one of which, only occasionally, results in pink eyes. Edgar Winter is an albino and does have pink eyes, but blue eyes are more common. > > Enough highjack - back to the topic at hand: Your original claim had been that all albinos have blue eyes; \*\*Cisco \*\* proved your claim wrong by showing you that pink-eyed albinos do exist. He never said that blue-eyed ones didn’t or that pink-eyed ones were more common. You decided to respond by telling him to go look it up on Wiki instead of conceding you, in fact, had been in error. When **Cisco** called you out on your attitude you said: > [@](#): > > I think I was trying to get back on topic. This doesn’t belong in this thread, and the baiting and insulting is really not necessary. If it’s that important to you to show the SDMB that you’re smarter than me, go ahead. I really don’t care what you think. > > So can you please just let it go! :rolleyes: I see you take being proved wrong quite well. There was no baiting and insulting in that thread as far I as I could tell - all **Cisco** did was correct your claim, to which you decided to respond in an evasive and rather snarky manner. How is providing correct information equate trying to prove that one is smarter than everyone else? I don’t see a single post by you in which you concede your mistake, even after you learned of it. Looks like intellectual dishonesty to me. I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ve lost interest in Lost ever since the second season and I couldn’t care less about how many possible eye colors there are for albinos. But the way \*\*PerditaX \*\* 1. provided wrong information 2. never apologized for it 3. snapped at the person who took the trouble to correct her, and 4. painted herself as being persecuted for her “/nitpick/” pisses me off enough to take the time and trouble to post about it. You aren’t being called out for the nitpick. You’re being called out for being unable to gracefully admit being wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/58 "2007-03-24T04:06:52Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] I guess that I am either saying that some few women are stupid, or that most women are stupid, or that sometimes women are stupid. Or I could be just be saying that women are stupid. Qualifying a blanket statement is so very easy to do, and, I believe, it is incumbent upon the speaker of a statement to do so, let the dumb bitch be misunderstood. Which will probably happen anyway. See axiom A. [/QUOTE] I do think **PerditaX** could have (and to a certain extent should have) clarified herself later in the conversation. But as I said in my previous post, I think it was completely obvious from the beginning which interpretation was intended. -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/59 "2007-03-24T04:08:51Z")
[QUOTE=PerditaX] Okay, apparently some albino humans are red-eyed. I guess this is good to know now. [/QUOTE] Well dammit! :smack: 😛 I still think what you said meant what I said it meant, even if you didn’t mean it. :eek: 😛 -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973/60 "2007-03-24T06:11:28Z")
> [@](#): > > **Kythereia** : Human suffering albinism generally have light blue eyes, although sometimes under certain lighting they can appear pink and/or violet. Cite, cite, and cite. I must admit that one of your cites was so detailed that it won me over. This is a memorable day! A fellow Doper changed my mind! I now believe that most albinos actually have blue eyes although sometimes they appear to be pink. However, you get points off for using Wiki as if it were a meaningful cite. Bad. Very bad. Go to your room. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cisco-would-like-to-pit-me/396973.md?page=4)