# "Cite?" is wearing very thin **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cite-is-wearing-very-thin/483065 "2009-01-26T16:55:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 60
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cite-is-wearing-very-thin/483065/60 "2009-02-18T19:44:02Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Nope. Your cites were not relevant in any way and several posters who know a thousand times more about China than you will ever know told you so in that thread. That doesn’t stop you from continuing to assert that your cites support what you say. They don’t. > > By the way. I am traveling to Hong Kong in a few days. How many times have you been there in the last five years? In your entire life? How many people who have been to HK or know anything about it support your view? Zero. That’s how much. Try reviving that thread and see how much support you get. Here are the cites again. Please read and refute: > **[Illegal emigration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_emigration#China)** > > Illegal emigration is departure from a country in violation of emigration laws. Countries often seek to regulate who departs a country for diverse reasons, such as stopping suspected criminals from leaving, preventing labor shortages and capital flight, and averting brain drain. The simplest case is when a country prohibits certain persons from physically leaving. Another common situation is when a person legally goes abroad but refuses to return when demanded by their country of origin. > Special... China It is illegal for a citizen of China to emigrate without getting permission from the Chinese government. HK residents are citizens of China. Then this about Art 23 Article 23 became a controversy, and led to a marches in different parts of Hong Kong with as many as 750,000 people out of a population of approximately 6,800,000 at the time. Journalists in particular are concerned about the new law, especially with respect to journalistic criticism of the Central Government of the People’s Republic of China … …Other organisations which have spoken out against the proposal include the Hong Kong Journalists Association, Hong Kong Confederation of Trade Unions, the International Confederation of Free Trade Unions, the Foreign Correspondents’ Club and the Faculty of Law at the University of Hong Kong. Members of the European Parliament, and officials of the United States Department of State, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand have expressed concerns about the Article 23 legislation. Some banks in Hong Kong were reported to be considering relocation if the proposed Article 23 is passed out of the fear that the laws would restrict the free flow of information. On 7 December 2002, it was reported in the press that ten foreign banks had told the government privately that the introduction of Article 23 would have disastrous consequences for Hong Kong, threatening its demise as Asia’s financial capital.[6] Now, how would you traveling to HK on a USA passport somehow refute that "It is illegal for a citizen of China to emigrate without getting permission from the Chinese government. HK residents are citizens of China. " Are you refuting that HK residents are citizens of China? Or do you say any Chinese can _emigrate_ without permission? Did you refute that “Article 23 became a controversy”? No, all you said was the currently HK is a peachy-keen place to live and many there are happy with the situation. I never said elsewise. Many people are happy to exchange security for freedom. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cite-is-wearing-very-thin/483065)._