# Citizen Trump (et al.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458 "2021-01-13T17:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/301 "2021-06-11T16:18:02Z")
The saddest thing about this, (and I’ve read numerous first hand accounts) os that the young men are told God has rejected them, that they’ve been judged and found not worthy of his love and the love of their family, and they believe them. They _believe_ that Warren Jeffs has a direct line to God and that he is infallible. Even among people that leave the cult voluntarily, this belief persists to an amazing degree. Indoctrination from birth is much more powerful than most people realize. End hijack ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/302 "2021-06-16T13:54:28Z")
I’m sure we’re all just going crazy with anticipation: > **[Jared Kushner has book deal, publication expected in 2022](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jared-kushner-middle-east-entertainment-business-c339b8a137e126f76ad6aef346f85007)** > > NEW YORK (AP) — Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of former President Donald Trump and one of his top advisers during his administration, has a book deal. Broadside Books, a conservative imprint of HarperCollins Publishers, announced that Kushner's book... ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/303 "2021-06-16T14:03:21Z")
I’ll let the talking heads on TV tell me what’s in it. No way am I going to contribute one cent to his wealth. Wonder if he’ll explain why he didn’t create lasting peace in the Middle East or totally reinvent government as he was charged to do. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/304 "2021-06-16T14:22:43Z")
I was wondering what editor will accept a manuscript written in crayon. (reads story) _Broadside Books, a conservative imprint of HarperCollins Publishers…_ That explains it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/305 "2021-06-16T15:16:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > … No way am I going to contribute one cent to his wealth. … For books such as this, I find buying a used copy on Amazon, reading the high(low?)lights, then throwing it in the garbage amongst the coffee grounds and spoiled leftovers to be strangely satisfying. And for just a buck or two there’s one less copy is in circulation. That’s a win for me, a win for society, and a big fat zero for the author and his scurvy publisher. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/306 "2021-06-16T15:22:20Z")
_Arrrrr!_ I hate people who publish scurvy! ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/307 "2021-06-16T17:18:07Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > …then throwing it in the garbage amongst the coffee grounds and spoiled leftovers to be strangely satisfying It’s a great feeling. I used to have a wood-burning stove, and reading the last page of book like that and then tossing it in was immensely satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/308 "2021-06-17T22:33:44Z")
I wonder how Trump if feeling knowing that his man-crush has dumped him in favor of another Beau. > **[Putin lavishes praise on Biden after Geneva summit](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/17/a-plus-sign-kremlin-praises-outcome-of-putin-biden-summit)** > > President’s comments come one day after his long-anticipated summit in Geneva with his US counterpart. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/309 "2021-06-17T22:56:06Z")
That’s quite interesting, @Buck_Godot. I also heard in news last night (I never watch Fox, but this was reported by Lawrence O’Donnell of MSNBC) that Trump was interviewed by (who else?) Hannity. Hannity repeatedly asked questions leading with the words, “_If you were still president…_” and Trump didn’t object to that characterization a single time. I guess Trump also said he wished Biden success in his dealings abroad. O’Donnell said it was the closest we’ll get to a concession speech from Trump. I think that’s probably true. When you’ve lost Putin… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/310 "2021-06-18T05:04:46Z")
Okay… there’s a lot to unpack in this story: > **[Convention circuit of delusion gives forum for election lies](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-election-lies-convention-circuit-531fdbf8fc31edcfdc756e31bded9bc4)** > > For a few hours last weekend, thousands of Donald Trump’s loyal supporters came together under the blazing sun in a field in Western Wisconsin to live in an alternate reality where the former president was still in office — or would soon return. > [@](#): > > For a few hours last weekend, thousands of Donald Trump’s supporters came together in a field under the blazing Wisconsin sun to live in an alternate reality where the former president was still in office — or would soon return. > > Clad in red MAGA hats and holding “Trump 2021” signs, they cheered in approval as Mike Lindell, the My Pillow creator-turned-conspiracy peddler, introduced “our real president.” Then Trump appeared via Jumbotron to repeat the lie that has become his central talking point since losing to Joe Biden by more than 7 million votes: “The election was rigged.” > > Lindell later promised the audience that Trump would soon be reinstated into the presidency, a prospect for which there is no legal or constitutional method. > > In the nearly five months since Trump’s presidency ended, similar scenes have unfolded in hotel ballrooms and other venues across the country. Attorney Lin Wood has told crowds that Trump is still president, while former national security adviser Michael Flynn went even further at a Dallas event by calling for a Myanmar-style military coup in the U.S. At the same conference, former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell suggested Trump could simply be reinstated and a new Inauguration Day set. > > Taken together, the gatherings have gelled into a convention circuit of delusion centered on the false premise that the election was stolen. > [@](#): > > “We know that Biden’s a fraudulent president, and we want to be part of the movement to get him out,” said Donna Plechacek, 61, who traveled from Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin, with her sister for the event. “I know that they cheated the election. I have no doubt about that. The proof is there.” 🙄 > [@](#): > > But Plechacek is not alone. A recent [Quinnipiac University poll](https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3810) found that two-thirds of Republicans — 66% — think Biden’s victory was not legitimate, while [CNN found](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/04/30/rel3e.-.voting.and.elections.pdf) in April that 70% of Republicans do not think Biden won enough votes to be president. Half — 50% — said there is solid evidence to support that claim. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/311 "2021-06-18T05:12:23Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I wonder how Trump if feeling knowing that his man-crush has dumped him in favor of another Beau. Especially the one who stole the election from him. I mean, first Putin doesn’t deliver a second time in November and now he’s all chummy with Biden? That’s got to hurt. I’d bet if Donny has to flee the country\* Putin won’t take him in, either. It’s like Putin used him then tossed him aside like a used tissue when his usefulness was done. \*Is Trump One fixed yet? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/312 "2021-06-18T18:02:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > But Plechacek is not alone. A recent [Quinnipiac University poll](https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3810) found that two-thirds of Republicans — 66% — think Biden’s victory was not legitimate, while [CNN found](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/04/30/rel3e.-.voting.and.elections.pdf) in April that 70% of Republicans do not think Biden won enough votes to be president. Half — 50% — said there is solid evidence to support that claim. > > 🤨 It is sad there are that many dumbshits in this country. Conspiracy theories are taking over. And in case you haven’t seen this coverage of the rally: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3-4Zwe3yaQU/maxresdefault.jpg "Jordan Klepper Reports From The MyPillow Mike’s MAGA Rally | The Daily Show With Trevor Noah") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4Zwe3yaQU) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/313 "2021-06-18T20:21:43Z")
In the interview with Hannity, Individual 1 was ranting about how windmills are killing all the birds ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/314 "2021-06-18T22:04:01Z")
Glad he is still playing the old hits for his fans. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/315 "2021-06-18T22:06:03Z")
The ex President’s penchant for hyperbole aside; it is a problem… > It is unfortunate then that wind energy has its own dark side: thousands of birds and bats are killed annually by wind turbines. Causes of death include collision and barotrauma—internal injuries caused by exposure to rapid pressure changes near the trailing edges of moving blades However it’s a matter of degrees… > If we’re looking at the bigger picture, wind power’s impact on bird populations is relatively small when compared with other human-related sources of avian mortality. Numerous studies demonstrate that far more bird deaths are caused by collisions with buildings (676 million), vehicles (214 million), and power lines (32 million) in the United States. (It should be taken into consideration, though, that birds killed by wind turbines have historically been of higher conservation value than the robins and sparrows killed by non-wind-related sources.) > Cats actually top the list when it comes to annual bird deaths in the United States. And, still, the wind industry is taking it very seriously > **[The Realities of Bird and Bat Deaths by Wind Turbines | REVE News of the wind...](https://www.evwind.es/2020/10/01/the-realities-of-bird-and-bat-deaths-by-wind-turbines/77477)** ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/316 "2021-06-19T20:28:05Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > And, still, the wind industry is taking it very seriously I just watched an old episode of a show about eagles that had a segment about how some windmill farms have equipment designed to detect eagles and shut down individual windmills if they get too close. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/317 "2021-06-20T14:54:30Z")
Mike Pence got heckled: > **[Conservative activists heckle Pence at conference in Florida](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-michael-pence-florida-religion-83f1e94acc5c7fbff1e3aff351f32c5b)** > > Some attendees at a conference in Florida for conservative activists heckled former Vice President Mike Pence during a speech. Several attendees shouted, “Traitor!” > [@](#): > > At least one of the hecklers was removed by security, [according to](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-cruz-scott-rubio-pence-20210618-3oxcnwp2yneyvnienvvfhnl3t4-story.html) the Orlando Sentinel. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/318 "2021-06-20T15:07:18Z")
I love the _Faith and Freedom Coalition_ sign behind him. While I find the application of Pence’s faith distasteful I have no doubts as to its sincerity. Donny Two-scoops’ faith, OTOH is – like everything else in his life – totally an act. Perhaps the members of the F&FC should reflect on the 1st Commandment, to say nothing of holding their idol accountable for the 2nd, 3rd\*, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th. \*All that golf. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/319 "2021-06-20T18:07:13Z")
Let them heckle Pence. Let them tear the GOP apart from the inside out. Leave sane people out of it though. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/320 "2021-06-21T01:28:13Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Perhaps the members of the F&FC should reflect on the 1st Commandment, to say nothing of holding their idol accountable for the 2nd, 3rd\*, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th. > > \*All that golf. The Seven Deadly Sins - mission accomplished; onto finishing up breaking all the commandments. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=17)