# Citizen Trump (et al.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458 "2021-01-13T17:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/382 "2021-07-14T17:23:58Z")
Damn, I love that movie. Probably my favorite low budget genre film. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/383 "2021-07-15T13:06:22Z")
What a surprise! > **[Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house)** > > Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy > Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents… ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/384 "2021-07-15T15:49:46Z")
Being discussed in the new Mueller Investigation Outcomes thread [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-2/946549/13) in the Pit, where it has been asserted that the Kremlin does not leak, ever, unless it wants to, and that this increases the likelihood that this is a manufactured leak. Speculation there is on why they would release/leak this document at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/385 "2021-07-15T15:51:43Z")
An alternative theory is that these documents were obtained by a western spy agency which has chosen to leak them. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/386 "2021-07-19T14:59:48Z")
Seems too good to be true. Spot on with everything - “Trump is crazy” motivation, plot to set up “media viruses”, even “_kompromat_” from Trump’s prior visits to Moscow. I feel like this is a fake to get people all riled up and then later release proof it’s a phony and embarrass the truth seekers. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/387 "2021-07-21T20:50:45Z")
11! > **[11 Trump associates have now been charged with crimes. 11! | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/politics/tom-barrack-trump-arrested/index.html)** > > There's an old saying that goes something like this: You can judge a man by the company he keeps. Which spells trouble for Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/388 "2021-07-21T21:03:46Z")
The old KGB, and maybe the current security forces as well, were smart and tough but they weren’t impenetrable. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/389 "2021-07-21T22:20:31Z")
Her name was Alia, and I actually kinda liked the execution of the idea, myself. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/390 "2021-07-21T23:52:38Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5cYRxGQJKHw/maxresdefault.jpg "All Of Trump's Friends Are Getting Arrested") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cYRxGQJKHw) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/391 "2021-07-22T07:53:50Z")
Here’s another guy that committed a crime for Trump but was allowed to get away with it by other Trump allies: > **[Watchdog: Ross misled on reason for citizenship question](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-census-2020-dfececa4bb96d752594c9d38770752cc)** > > President Donald Trump’s commerce secretary misled Congress about why he sought to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, according to an investigation from the Office of Inspector General, but Trump's Justice Department decided not to... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/392 "2021-07-24T12:14:29Z")
I’m not sure it was a good idea to allow Mr. Barrack to post bail but it does make me wonder: what is the highest bond that’s ever been set in the US? > **[Trump inaugural committee chair to be released on $250M bail](https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-biden-inauguration-802fae34c30b8bb72af09a38727f348d)** > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — The chair of former President Donald Trump’s inaugural committee was ordered freed Friday on $250 million bail to face charges he secretly worked as an agent for the the United Arab Emirates to influence Trump’s foreign policy. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/393 "2021-07-24T16:18:12Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I’m not sure it was a good idea to allow Mr. Barrack to post bail but it does make me wonder: what is the highest bond that’s ever been set in the US? According to another story I saw, this was it. ETA: actually (if this is accurate) the highest bail was $3bn > **[11 Highest Bail Amounts in US History](https://www.bailagentnetwork.com/blog/portfolio/11-highest-bail-amounts-in-u-s-history/)** > > Bail amounts are set based on the crime, criminal history of the defendant, history of showing up to prior court dates or bond jumping, flight risk, and more. T ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/394 "2021-07-24T16:45:27Z")
The three-billion-dollar bail was for Robert Durst and apparently it was [reduced](https://web.archive.org/web/20090309052640/http://www.courttv.com/trials/durst/092904_pleadeal_ctv.html) to $450,000 on appeal. (To be honest, I didn’t know you could appeal the bail amount.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/395 "2021-07-24T18:01:13Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The three-billion-dollar bail was for Robert Durst and apparently it was [reduced](https://web.archive.org/web/20090309052640/http://www.courttv.com/trials/durst/092904_pleadeal_ctv.html) to $450,000 on appeaI. (To be honest, I didn’t know you could appeal the bail amount.) One would hope that it could. The BoR forbids excessive bail amounts, without specifying what level meets the definition of “excessive.” That guarantee is kinda meaningless if you’re not even allowed to argue against the first number that the judge puts out. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/396 "2021-07-24T22:25:02Z")
The link says that he was given a 3 billion dollar bail after he jumped from a 1 million dollar bail. Does that mean he forfeited one billion dollars? 😲 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/397 "2021-07-24T22:32:09Z")
Typically, the actual amount of cash laid out is 10-20%, depending on the locality. So for $3B you’d have to pony up $300M-$600M. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/398 "2021-07-24T22:33:56Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Typically, the actual amount of cash laid out is 10-20%, depending on the locality. So for $3B you’d have to pony up $300M-$600M . And collateral for the difference. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/399 "2021-07-25T00:34:16Z")
I wonder where all or most of his assets are at. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/400 "2021-07-26T15:48:22Z")
Surprising absolutely no one, it turns out that none of the $75 million Trump has raised to audit the 2020 election has actually gone to that. Original paywalled source: > **[Trump’s PAC collected $75 million this year, but so far the group has not put...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pac-ballot-reviews/2021/07/22/d451fcaa-e596-11eb-934f-7e6c1927f261_story.html)** > > Even as he assiduously tracks attempts by his allies to cast doubt on the integrity of the 2020 election, the former president has been uninterested in personally bankrolling the effort in Arizona or similar attempts in other states. Non paywalled source: > **[Trump's PAC raises $75 million, spends $0 on election audit efforts](https://www.salon.com/2021/07/23/trumps-pac-raises-75-million-spends-0-on-election-audit-efforts/)** > > So where is the money going? > According to sources familiar with the matter, Trump has his PAC only to expense personal costs, like plane flights, legal services, and staff payroll. > Tim O’Brien, a Trump biographer, told the Post the Trump’s PAC “is probably the most lucrative thing he’s had in terms of cash flow since the Plaza casino in Atlantic City,” adding: “He has recognized because of what happened after the election — he can make money as a candidate.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/401 "2021-07-26T16:16:11Z")
Do laws governing PACs contain provisions for financial oversight, such as audits? Is there even a government entity with standing to initiate one? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=21)