# Citizen Trump (et al.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458 "2021-01-13T17:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/442 "2021-12-24T11:42:30Z")
Trump and Bill O’Reilly’s recent tour had Trump admitting to having been vaccinated and to also having had a Covid booster, and to O’Reilly admitting to being vaccinated too. Trump got a small smattering of “boo’s” from the crowd over this exchange. Trump promptly discounted this group by saying “Don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t,” and told O’Reilly that the boos were coming from a, “very tiny group over there.” Trump went on to try to sway and flatter the crowd by saying “We, together, all of us, not me… (we) did something that was historic, we saved tens of millions of lives worldwide” and urged the crowd to try to both give him and also take credit themselves for the vaccine’s development. [Trump booed after revealing he got a Covid booster shot](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reveals-he-got-covid-booster-shot-crowd-boos-him-n1286361) So for some reason, Trump is now attempting to revise his Covid past but I don’t think this is going to work. I saw that some fervent Trump “social media influencers” (gawd- when did this become a “job”?) and fans on TikTok and Twitter were very, very, very upset by just Trump’s admitting to being vaccinated and booster-ed and his apparent new position on vaccination. I heard the word “traitor” more than once and saw some who were near tears about this change in Trump’s position. Since that shocking news, Trump has been interviewed by Candice Owens where Trump said “I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines. All are very, very good. Came up with three of them in less than nine months. It was supposed to take five to 12 years.” Candice Owens then lied “Yet more people have died under COVID this year by the way, under Joe Biden, than under you, and more people took the vaccine this year. So people are questioning how—" Trump replied “Oh no, the vaccines work, but some people aren’t the ones. The ones who get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don’t take the vaccine. But it’s still their choice. And if you take the vaccine, you’re protected.” [https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/587079-trump-pushes-back-on-candace-owens-people-arent-dying](https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/587079-trump-pushes-back-on-candace-owens-people-arent-dying) He’s still opposed to mandatory masking, so his most-shocked fans still have that! I presume the next week or so as this shockwave rolls through MAGA-dom will be a difficult one for many die-hard Trump fans. And all I can do is just laugh at their stupidity. I know it’s not right but I just can’t help it. Fools. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/443 "2021-12-24T14:18:44Z")
This oughta really piss them off, then (14 second video): [https://video.twimg.com/ext\_tw\_video/1473810879074422789/pu/vid/712x412/BgHfB3bRY7-mc13Z.mp4](https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1473810879074422789/pu/vid/712x412/BgHfB3bRY7-mc13Z.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/444 "2021-12-24T16:16:17Z")
I predict it has very little effect, though. Trump isn’t a leader, he just knows how to create the illusion of leadership. He doesn’t influence or change anyone’s beliefs, he just reinforces the ones they already have, claims them as his own and feeds them back to his audience. So I don’t think Trumpers are suddenly going to rush to get vaccinated. They will probably launch some theory that Trump is being blackmailed by Deep State actors who are forcing him to promote the “kill shot”. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/445 "2021-12-24T20:15:51Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > So I don’t think Trumpers are suddenly going to rush to get vaccinated. They will probably launch some theory that Trump is being blackmailed by Deep State actors who are forcing him to promote the “kill shot”. Cue Alex Jones, right on schedule. > **[WATCH: Alex Jones suggests Trump is being 'blackmailed' to support COVID...](https://www.rawstory.com/alex-jones-and-donald-trump-interview/)** > > Donald Trump is "destroying himself" and "committing political suicide" by endorsing COVID-19 vaccines and not doing enough to help jailed Capitol insurrectionists, according to MAGA conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. During his InfoWars show on... ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/446 "2021-12-24T20:21:44Z")
Blackmailed with what? I thought Trump was The Perfect President, immaculate and delivered by God. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/447 "2021-12-24T20:23:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Blackmailed with what? I thought Trump was The Perfect President, immaculate and delivered by God. If I was All That, I’m not sure I’d want the ignorant masses to know it. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/448 "2021-12-24T22:10:07Z")
I’m always amazed at how creative people sometimes get. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/449 "2022-01-03T18:42:42Z")
Happy New Year! > **[Trump, Ivanka, Don Jr. subpoenaed in New York AG's probe](https://apnews.com/article/business-new-york-donald-trump-subpoenas-ivanka-trump-072e02a5bf16faa89a7f496d16536893)** > > NEW YORK (AP) — The New York attorney general’s office confirmed Monday that it has subpoenaed former President Donald Trump and his two eldest children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr., demanding their testimony in an investigation into the family’s... ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/450 "2022-01-03T18:57:48Z")
I’ll go way out on a limb and predict that he’ll go to court and file a suit to try to stop it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/451 "2022-01-03T19:21:21Z")
He already did: > **[Trump sues NY attorney general, seeking to halt civil probe](https://apnews.com/article/business-new-york-lawsuits-donald-trump-albany-8cd1fd3c9dc206a5b563116f3966f2a4)** > > Former President Donald Trump sued New York Attorney General Letitia James on Monday, seeking to end her civil investigation into his business practices. > [@Citizen Trump (et al.)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/437): > > Who wants to estimate his chance of success with this lawsuit? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/452 "2022-01-03T19:34:44Z")
As I noted when this came up before, it’s just like one of those goofy Silver Age stories where the villain captured the hero and put him on “trial” for the “crime” of interfering with the villain’s schemes. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/453 "2022-01-03T19:59:43Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > one of those goofy Silver Age stories where the villain captured the hero and put him on “trial” for the “crime” of interfering with the villain’s schemes. Like this one. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/JNX6ybKqlqA/maxresdefault.jpg "Real Lawyer Reacts to Batman: the Animated Series") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNX6ybKqlqA) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/454 "2022-01-03T20:04:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > He already did: This just in: Mobster sues police to prevent them from investigating his criminal activity. I hope any lawyer that signs onto nonsense like this is fined, disciplined by the law association, and potentially disbarred. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/455 "2022-01-04T01:02:47Z")
To be sure, Trump has a semblance of an argument, and Letitia James and Andy Bragg probably need to deal with it: Bragg is working on a criminal investigation. James is working on a civil investigation. These have different rules of what is “due process”. Trump is claiming that he could be compelled to reveal shit in the civil investigation that could then be used against him in the criminal investigation. If he were asked to reveal the same stuff in the in the criminal investigation directly, he could have taken the Fifth. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/456 "2022-01-04T01:14:51Z")
Why do I doubt that this has never come up before? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/457 "2022-01-04T01:19:55Z")
Maybe it has, but IIRC at least one article I saw somewhere said that it was an unusual situation. I’ll see if I can find that cite again. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/458 "2022-01-04T01:24:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I hope any lawyer that signs onto nonsense like this is fined, disciplined by the law association, and potentially disbarred. Time for a little vintage [Cheech and Chong.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EndcfnNu-E) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/459 "2022-01-04T01:30:04Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Why do I doubt that this has never come up before?   Okay, I think the more unique thing in this case is that . . . > [@](#): > > . . . Ms. James’s office is also involved in the separate criminal investigation now being led by the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, who was sworn in on Saturday. The previous district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., who had been supervising the investigation for more than three years, left office at the end of the year. > > In their motion filed Monday to block the questioning, lawyers for the Trump Organization and the family argued that Ms. James was attempting to improperly sidestep the grand jury process in the criminal investigation by questioning the Trump family members under oath as part of the civil inquiry. So James and Vance (now Bragg) have been working together in some sense in these investigations, so I think the complaint is that there will be cross-talk between the two investigations, in some ways that there shouldn’t be. [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/nyregion/letitia-james-ivanka-donald-trump-jr-subpoena.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/nyregion/letitia-james-ivanka-donald-trump-jr-subpoena.html) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/460 "2022-01-08T19:38:24Z")
> **[Trump boasted that the crowd for his speech on Jan. 6 was so big it was a...](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-boasted-crowd-speech-jan-130546796.html)** > > Speaking to One America News, Donald Trump complained that the "dishonest" media does not report on the size of the rally for his January 6 speech. > [@](#): > > “The crowd itself was the biggest crowd I’ve ever – and I’ve spoken before the biggest crowds – the biggest crowd I’ve ever spoken by far, by numerous times I think,” Trump said in an interview with right-wing network [One America News](https://www.oann.com/president-trump-sits-down-for-one-on-one-with-oan/) that aired on Wednesday. “Nobody ever shows the pictures of that…The real number I won’t say because it’ll be a headline ‘oh he exaggerated the number.’ The real number was over that sacred number– you know what that number was right?” Trump said. It is unclear what the former president meant by “sacred number,” but OAN host Christina Bobb said she knew what he meant. Ah, of course, only Christina would have that inner specialness to divine the crucial truthiness of, yes, **{{{the sacred number.}}}** Usually only Holy Hand Grenades get that kind of vaunted (yet enigmatically mysterious!) numerical designation. Quite the pre-emptive strike, there, Donny: " ‘oh he exaggerated the number.’ " So 4-d chess clever. ---
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/461 "2022-01-09T00:59:35Z")
I’m betting the sacred number he is thinking of is 666. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=24)