# Citizen Trump (et al.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458 "2021-01-13T17:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/462 "2022-01-09T01:14:15Z")
It certainly isn’t 42. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/463 "2022-01-11T18:35:46Z")
light on details for now, but any toe in the door is a good one… > **[Rachel Maddow: Trump's Lawyers Met With Georgia Prosecutors About Election Probe](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-trump-attorneys-georgia-prosecutors-fraud-probe_n_61dd0536e4b0bb04a6490947/amp)** > > Prosecutors are considering possible criminal charges against Trump over his alleged efforts to subvert the 2020 election. > [@](#): > > [Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump)’s attorneys have met in person with [Georgia](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/georgia) prosecutors who are considering possible criminal charges against the former president for calling the state’s top election official and demanding he “find” more votes, [Rachel Maddow](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/rachel-maddow) reported on her program Monday. > [@](#): > > Maddow reported no details of the talks between Trump lawyers and prosecutors. She pointed out that the probe is the only known criminal investigation into Trump’s attempts to overturn his election defeat. Myself, I’ll be requiring frequent assurances, now, that shit’s getting ramped up now, even if results won’t be untill a few months down the road yet. Every crowbar breach must be duly taken note of, because _every one of them will be required_. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/464 "2022-01-19T12:08:32Z")
😃 > **[New York AG says Trump's company misled banks, tax officials](https://apnews.com/article/business-trump-investigations-donald-trump-new-york-b4895a63c5aee3991a2ffc42becfb564)** > > The New York attorney general’s office says its civil investigation has uncovered evidence that former President Donald Trump's company used “fraudulent or misleading” asset valuations to get loans and tax benefits. > [@](#): > > In the [court documents](https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/memo-of-law-2022-01-18.pdf), Attorney General Letitia James’ office gave its [most detailed accounting yet](https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/supplemental-verified-petition-2022-01-18.pdf) of a long-running investigation of allegations that Trump’s company exaggerated the value of assets to get favorable loan terms, or misstated what land was worth to slash its tax burden. > > The Trump Organization, it said, had overstated the value of land donations made in New York and California on paperwork submitted to the IRS to justify several million dollars in tax deductions. > > The company misreported the size of Trump’s Manhattan penthouse, saying it was nearly three times its actual size — a difference in value of about $200 million, James’ office said, citing deposition testimony from Trump’s longtime financial chief Allen Weisselberg, who was charged last year with tax fraud in a parallel criminal investigation. > > James’ office detailed its findings in a court motion seeking to force Trump, his daughter Ivanka Trump and his son Donald Trump Jr. to comply with subpoenas seeking their testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/465 "2022-01-19T19:08:46Z")
“There were some bad actors at the Trump Organization. Bad, bad, bad. The worst. They’re gonna get their punishment when this is all done. I didn’t know what they were doing. I was busy trying to make America great again and protect all the good people against those crazies on the left. I was being the best President anyone has ever seen.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/466 "2022-01-20T00:31:36Z")
😃 👍🏼 😀 👍🏼 👍🏼 😄 😙 > **[Supreme Court allows Jan. 6 committee to get Trump documents](https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-congress-donald-trump-30d5d01db49f0591d641d9e92d4092a8)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — In a rebuff to former President Donald Trump, the Supreme Court is allowing the release of presidential documents sought by the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/467 "2022-01-20T19:16:50Z")
A special grand jury has been requested in Georgia: > **[Georgia DA asks for special grand jury in election probe](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-georgia-united-states-atlanta-election-2020-582aa817b935517deeb507c9bc46b0dd)** > > ATLANTA (AP) — The Georgia prosecutor looking into possible attempts to interfere in the 2020 general election by former President Donald Trump and others has asked for a special grand jury to aid the investigation . ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/468 "2022-01-21T19:11:13Z")
A few tidbits from the records that Oranganus Deploribus tried to hide: > **[Read the never-issued Trump order that would have seized voting machines](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572#)** > > The Jan. 6 select panel has obtained the draft order and a document titled "Remarks on National Healing." Both are reported here in detail for the first time. > Among the records that Donald Trump’s lawyers tried to shield from Jan. 6 investigators are a draft executive order that would have directed the defense secretary to seize voting machines and a document titled “Remarks on National Healing”. A few choice exerpts from the “Remarks on National Healing” speech somebody wrote for him: > “The Demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American Democracy… I am directing the Department of Justice to ensure all lawbreakers are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.” > “But as for THIS election, Congress has now certified the results… The election fight is over. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.” > “We must renew the sacred bonds of love and loyalty that bind us together as one national family” I can just imagine the enraged tirade from the Tangerine Toddler if someone actually dared to suggest to him that he deliver that speech… 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/469 "2022-01-27T07:15:06Z")
> **[NY Attorney General Tish James says Trump changed his mind about her...](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ny-attorney-general-tish-james-223513065.html)** > > In a new filing, New York Attorney General Letitia James claims Trump filed a lawsuit only so he could wriggle his way out of taking a deposition. > [@](#): > > New York Attorney General Letitia James asked a federal judge to dismiss former President Donald Trump’s lawsuit seeking to halt her investigation into his company’s finances, claiming he filed the lawsuit only so that he could wriggle his way out of taking a deposition. > [@](#): > > “At no point, despite having ample opportunity to do so in the NY Proceeding, did the Trump Organization or Mr. Trump ever challenge the underlying legal basis for the Investigation or OAG’s statutory authority to conduct the Investigation,” lawyers in James’s office wrote in a court filing Wednesday. “Until now – only after Mr. Trump was served with a subpoena.” ETA: ran outa free (5) Business Insider views (which was the orignal source) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/470 "2022-01-30T18:57:48Z")
Individual 1 said at his Nuremberg rally last night that he would consider granting pardons to the 1/6 insurrectionists if he is reelected President. I’m sure that’s not at all an attempt at letting them know they need to keep their mouths shut, ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/471 "2022-01-30T19:14:41Z")
Speaking of his rally… > **[Critics On Twitter Mock Trump's Mangled Word Salad At Texas Rally](https://www.yahoo.com/news/twitter-critics-mock-trumps-mangled-085930327.html)** > > "Vrg litf aeii puyfc ard," quipped one. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/472 "2022-01-30T19:15:47Z")
The things he said were essentially treasonous, so his premise must be _If they charge me with treason, I need you guys to prove it._ ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/473 "2022-01-30T21:13:05Z")
Seditious, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/474 "2022-01-31T05:53:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Speaking of his rally… “Vrg litf aeii puyfc ard,” quipped one . . . Here’s the full text: > ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/475 "2022-01-31T11:46:48Z")
I keep being reminded of this scene: > **Spock:** Captain, the speech follows no logical pattern. > **Kirk:** Random sentences strung together. > **McCoy:** He looks drugged, Jim. Almost at a cataleptic state. > –_Star Trek, the Original Series_, “Patterns of Force” ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/476 "2022-01-31T17:29:20Z")
Also to let others who would follow their example know that they don’t need to worry about the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/477 "2022-01-31T17:58:11Z")
Essentially, Trump just said “help me overthrow the government, and I will pardon you” This is not normal. This is not remotely acceptable. Republicans will stay silent. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/478 "2022-01-31T18:00:18Z")
If he is elected in 2024, the earliest he could pardon anyone is January 20, 2025, by which time most everyone convicted for their actions on January 6, 2021 will have already served their sentence. So what good does the offer do? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/479 "2022-01-31T18:03:20Z")
Evidence suggests that analysis and thinking things through is not their strong suit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/480 "2022-01-31T18:05:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So what good does the offer do? It sends a message to anyone who wants another go at overthrowing the elected government in November 2024 - January 2025 that if they are successful this time, they can expect a pardon from Emperor Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/481 "2022-01-31T18:27:23Z")
That assumes he’s thinking that far ahead. This is more in line with his typical “scratch my back, I’ll maybe think about scratching yours later” MO. He rarely does scratch back, especially for anybody who gets caught. He’s like a mafioso in a bad B-movie and somehow after years of his schtick, we’re all still overestimating his capacity for strategy. He could have pardoned them all before he left office and didn’t. No matter what they do, I doubt he’ll do anything for these chucklefucks unless they pony up at least 7 figures. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about them and if/once he’s in office, he doesn’t have to give a shit about a bunch of loser criminals who had the temerity to get caught and so he won’t. The only part he cares about is their willingness to offer him support, praise, and money, which is why he’s bringing it up now. Saying he’ll pardon them = “give me votes and money now and I’ll scratch your back later”. But he’s never been the type to return the favor later on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=25)