# Citizen Trump (et al.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458 "2021-01-13T17:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/61 "2021-01-18T00:27:19Z")
Put a cork in that talk until Jan 21. Don’t tempt all the demons of hell and Florida like that. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/62 "2021-01-18T01:45:02Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Three more days, you guys. I think we might actually survive this. As the esteemed @squeegee said. Whatever adverse stuff occurs that could _really_ change history, it’ll all happen on the 20th and not before. The rest of the future is “unsettled” as **Discobot** might say. But not immediately so from the 21st forward. That, like COVID, will be a marathon of ignorance and stupidity slowly spreading to foul everything it touches. Much like a major tank breach at a sewage farm. And similarly pleasant to clean up. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/63 "2021-01-18T02:05:09Z")
Oh, I know this country is fucked. Just let me have this. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/64 "2021-01-18T02:24:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Riemann](#): > > > > Government owned property is missing, and there is photographic evidence of somebody removing it? Why wouldn’t a judge issue a warrant? > > In the hypothetical scenario I described, the situation was the Trumps left the White House with unsearched luggage and then some items were discovered missing from an inventory taken two weeks later. That’s enough to justify questioning them but it’s not enough probable cause to justify a search warrant. Trump’s lawyers would point out that hundreds of people had gone in and out of the White House in the period between inventories. ??? When investigators are asking a judge for a search warrant, does the (putative) target of the (putative) warrant get to have an advocate present? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/65 "2021-01-18T02:34:26Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That, like COVID, will be a marathon of ignorance and stupidity slowly spreading to foul everything it touches OTOH, I saw an article somewhere (maybe it was on AlterNet?) saying that people who watch such things are saying there’s been a significant (something like 70%?) reduction in misinformation and dysinformation on Twitter and other social media just in the few days since Trump was kicked off. (Cite to follow, if I find it again.) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/66 "2021-01-18T02:43:13Z")
Here it is, from WaPo! > **[Misinformation dropped dramatically the week after Twitter banned Trump and...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/misinformation-trump-twitter/)** > > Zignal Labs charted a 73 percent decline on Twitter and beyond following historic action against the president. > [@](#): > > Online misinformation about election fraud plunged 73 percent after several social media sites suspended President Trump and key allies last week, research firm Zignal Labs has found, underscoring the power of tech companies to limit the falsehoods poisoning public debate when they act aggressively. > The new research by the San Francisco-based analytics firm reported that conversations about election fraud dropped from 2.5 million mentions to 688,000 mentions across several social media sites in the week after Trump was banned from Twitter. > Election disinformation had for months been a major subject of online misinformation, beginning even before the Nov. 3 election and pushed heavily by Trump and his allies. > Zignal found it dropped swiftly and steeply on Twitter and other platforms in the days after the Twitter ban took hold on Jan. 8. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/67 "2021-01-18T04:42:12Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > When investigators are asking a judge for a search warrant, does the (putative) target of the (putative) warrant get to have an advocate present? No, generally not. But if a judge issued a warrant in the circumstances I described, Trump would certainly get lawyers working on it after the fact. And those lawyers would make the point I did when they argued the warrant had been illegal and anything found as a result could not be entered as evidence in any trial. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/68 "2021-01-18T05:04:31Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > When investigators are asking a judge for a search warrant, does the (putative) target of the (putative) warrant get to have an advocate present? > > No, generally not. But if a judge issued a warrant in the circumstances I described, Trump would certainly get lawyers working on it after the fact. And those lawyers would make the point l did when they argued the warrant had been illegal and anything found as a result could not be entered as evidence in any trial. Well, at least we’d get our shit back. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/69 "2021-01-18T06:51:03Z")
I’ve been losing my shit ever since Tan the Conman got nominated the first time. I doubt I’ll ever get it back. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/70 "2021-01-18T09:00:24Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, at least we’d get our shit back I wanted to ask about that. If there’s a search warrant (however illigal) and a search (however illegal) and they find a trove of looted national treasures, do the Government get those treasures back, however inadmissible they may be in any theft trial? ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/71 "2021-01-18T21:46:45Z")
Look, we’re talking about a notionally wealthy white dude not one of the common rabble. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/72 "2021-01-18T21:57:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Unfortunately, I can’t help but hear “Citizen Trump” as some sort of euphemistic name for a dictator. It makes me think of thoughtcrime-style dystopia. I suspect this is a reference to Louis XVI, who after his overthrow was referred to as “[Citizen Capet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI)”. Of course, our would-be tinpot dictator was removed through ballots, not bullets. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > We “put what’s happened behind us” and we “move on”. We let Republicans commit crimes for four or eight years and then we let them retire quietly and keep all of the prizes they got from their crimes. As someone or other said, the Weimar Republic went easy on Hitler after the Beer Hall Putsch. Ten years later, he was Chancellor of Germany and then really bad things started to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/73 "2021-01-18T22:21:08Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > As someone or other said, the Weimar Republic went easy on Hitler after the Beer Hall Putsch. Ten years later, he was Chancellor of Germany and then really bad things started to happen. I am confidant in predicting Trump will not follow Hitler’s example … and write a book. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/74 "2021-01-18T22:24:05Z")
I’m more worried that the GOP will run Junior or, worse, Ivanka. She’s pretty enough for a whole host of testosterone-poisoned white supremacists to slaver1 after her, especially if she continues Daddy’s rhetoric. 1That’s “slaver” as in droolface. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/75 "2021-01-18T22:33:33Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Well, at least we’d get our shit back > > I wanted to ask about that. > If there’s a search warrant (however illigal) and a search (however illegal) and they find a trove of looted national treasures, do the Government get those treasures back, however inadmissible they may be in any theft trial? Yes, because the government is the legal owner of all of those national treasures. For legal purposes, they would be treated as if they had been found on the street with no identifiable person having possession of them. They would be returned to their legal owner. Donald Trump couldn’t claim them based on the fact that they had been found in his possession because he would not be able to show he had legal ownership of them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/76 "2021-01-18T22:36:59Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I’m more worried that the GOP will run Junior or, worse, Ivanka. She’s pretty enough for a whole host of testosterone-poisoned white supremacists to slaver after her, especially if she continues Daddy’s rhetoric. I don’t think it will happen. Trump’s crowd is hardcore sexist. They might slaver over Ivanka but they wouldn’t vote for her. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/77 "2021-01-18T22:39:02Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > As someone or other said, the Weimar Republic went easy on Hitler after the Beer Hall Putsch. Ten years later, he was Chancellor of Germany and then really bad things started to happen. Only for the Jews. And the Slavs. And gypsies. And gays. And Communists, or anyone accused of being a Communist. Deutsche Patrioten brauchen sich um nichts zu kümmern. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/78 "2021-01-18T23:06:28Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Only for the Jews. And the Slavs. And gypsies. And gays. And Communists, or anyone accused of being a Communist. And orphans and socialists or people of color or the disabled and handicapped…equal opportunity genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/79 "2021-01-18T23:17:20Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > > > Only for the Jews. And the Slavs. And gypsies. And gays. And Communists, or anyone accused of being a Communist. > > And orphans and socialists or people of color or the disabled and handicapped…equal opportunity genocide. Things didn’t work out so well for the Nazis in the end either. That’s something the current crowd should remember. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/80 "2021-01-18T23:21:50Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > She’s pretty enough for a whole host of testosterone-poisoned white supremacists to slaver1 after her, Man, how I wish there was a clip from Little Big Man, where Custer tells Jack Crabb, ‘Poison. From the goonads.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=5)