# Citizen Trump (et al.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458 "2021-01-13T17:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/121 "2021-01-24T02:21:42Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Banks closing Trump’s accounts: What happens to all the money in such accounts when banks close them? You assume the accounts had positive balances? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/122 "2021-01-24T04:33:43Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So if Mr. Trump told you to go jump off a cliff, would you do it? Reminds me of “If Newhouse was jumping off a cliff…” _“Newhouse? Cliff? I’m THERE!”_ [Bart runs out, slamming screen door] ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/123 "2021-01-25T03:10:36Z")
From context, I’m wondering if that shouldn’t be _Milhouse_. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/124 "2021-01-25T07:10:47Z")
Look out Cliff! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/mJvJJaV6-Pc/hqdefault.jpg "Look out - CLIFF !") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJvJJaV6-Pc) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/125 "2021-01-25T12:58:19Z")
I peruse Google News every day and that’s about the limit of my real-time news intake. I don’t do social media except here. There’s daily news about Trump’s impeachment, but zero about Trump. Are he or his representatives making any noise in the RW mediasphere that I’m just not aware of? Or has he / Kushner / Giuliani / etc., collectively just gone (thankfully) dead silent? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/126 "2021-01-25T13:16:45Z")
Trump has not disappeared. > **[Republican split widens as Donald Trump intervenes in party elections in Arizona](https://news.yahoo.com/republican-split-widens-donald-trump-181937931.html)** > > The acrimonious split within Republican ranks widened over the weekend as Donald Trump made his foray back into politics, backing the re-election of a hard-line supporter as chair of the party in Arizona. His wholehearted support for Kelli Ward was... TLDR, Trump is trying to sow chaos in state races, most likely as leverage to get Senators to oppose impeachment (“…or else I’ll do this to you!”). Whether this turns into anything long term is as yet unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/127 "2021-01-25T14:17:36Z")
This suggests that, if he doesn’t get bored or is otherwise occupied by next year, he might make good on his threats to interfere with Kemp’s re-election in Georgia. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear… ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/128 "2021-01-25T14:59:57Z")
Thanks. It’s interesting to me that one look at Kelli Ward’s face clearly shows the insanity in her head. On a more strategic note, in various discussions about 3rd parties in the USA, it’s often pointed out that you can’t successfully develop a third party by electing a 3rd party president. You grow a third party from the statehouse up. It appears Trump (Trump’s backers actually) are taking a leaf from that book and is now conducting a hostile takeover of the Rs from the base upwards. They won’t be a third party. But just like a business takeover, it’ll be new management and a new product line with the familiar old logo and brand name. Trumplicans indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/129 "2021-01-25T15:03:02Z")
One of my favourite series. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/130 "2021-01-25T16:01:37Z")
Speaking of Trump, where _is_ he? Is he holed up while the _can-he-live-here_ case wends it way through the courts, or is he holed up on a Motel 6 somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/131 "2021-01-25T16:09:42Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Speaking of Trump, where _is_ he? > > Is he holed up while the _can-he-live-here_ case wends it way through the courts, or is he holed up on a Motel 6 somewhere? He’s living in Mar-a-Lago. Sure, it’s illegal for him to live there and he signed an agreement saying he wouldn’t do so. But when has Trump ever felt bound by the law or a contract? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/132 "2021-01-25T19:32:29Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > You grow a third party from the statehouse up. > > It appears Trump (Trump’s backers actually) are taking a leaf from that book and is now conducting a hostile takeover of the Rs from the base upwards. Yep. As I mentioned elsewhere, the direction being taken by the radicals is to take over the organizational positions and control of the material and intangible assets, leaving the Establishment Republicans “homeless” so they can be deplatformed and deprived of the branding and its entailed mailing lists, campaign volunteers, funding sources, etc. if they do not submit. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/133 "2021-01-25T19:35:12Z")
Now I know what it felt like to live in 1925 or 1927 Germany. Post-Putsch, pre-Depression. A lot looks normal, but you can feel the ground shifting under your feet. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/134 "2021-01-26T21:50:22Z")
Here’s some news about et. al.: > **[Fox News hires Larry Kudlow; McEnany may be next](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-larry-kudlow-kayleigh-mcenany-58f61b819e20ce588dc84723dabb3306)** > > NEW YORK (AP) — Trump administration alumni Larry Kudlow is joining Fox News amid reports that a colleague, former White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, will soon be joining him... ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/135 "2021-01-27T04:01:45Z")
That should be “alumnus”. The AP is slipping. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/136 "2021-02-02T19:51:48Z")
Trump’s lawyers left him last week; it seems that money was the reason why: > **[Trump fell out with impeachment lawyers after trying to negotiate millions...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-impeachment-butch-bowers-b1796375.html)** > > Mr Trump, who has history of being tight-fisted and avoiding settling his debts, was ‘delighted’ at first when he agreed with Mr Bowers that he would be paid $250,000 > [@](#): > > Despite having raised over $170m from his supporters that could be used for legal costs, former President [Donald Trump](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Donald-Trump) has lost his impeachment defence team after bickering over fees. Previous reports indicated that he lost his lawyers because they didn’t want to argue that the election was stolen during the impeachment trial, a debunked conspiracy theory Mr Trump still appears to push. > > In a number of strained phone calls, Mr Trump and his top attorney Butch Bowers haggled over fees. Mr Trump, who has a [history of being close-fisted](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/) and avoiding settling his debts, was “delighted” at first when he agreed with Mr Bowers that he would be paid $250,000, according to [Axios](https://www.axios.com/trump-legal-fees-impeachment-trial-8f6578e6-0662-4aea-8edc-aee2530c5165.html). > > But Mr Trump wasn’t aware that Mr Bowers hadn’t included other expenses in that sum such as other lawyers, research and further legal fees. > > Mr Trump was reportedly furious when Mr Bowers suggested a total sum of $3m. After another call, Mr Trump got him down to $1m. Somehow that all still didn’t work, so now Trump has a new legal team: > [@](#): > > Trump adviser Jason Miller said: “These guys are no longer relevant. We have our lawyers in place, we have a solid team, and we’re looking ahead.” > > Mr Trump’s new legal team consists of David Schoen and Bruce Castor. Mr Castor is a former district attorney for Montgomery County, a Philadelphia suburb. Mr Schoen recently represented Trump associate and [self-proclaimed dirty trickster](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-stone/trump-adviser-roger-stone-self-proclaimed-dirty-trickster-guilty-on-all-charges-idUSKBN1XP1VT) [Roger Stone](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Roger-Stone) in a sentencing appeal, according to [Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/31/trump-attorneys-impeachment-schoen-castor-464201). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/137 "2021-02-02T20:06:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > Speaking of Trump, where _is_ he? > > > > Is he holed up while the _can-he-live-here_ case wends it way through the courts, or is he holed up on a Motel 6 somewhere? > > He’s living in Mar-a-Lago. Sure, it’s illegal for him to live there and he signed an agreement saying he wouldn’t do so. But when has Trump ever felt bound by the law or a contract? Point taken, but unlike, say, a wedding caterer or a purveyor of pianos, the folks in the surrounding community probably have the resources to out-lawyer him when they place a lien on the property and have him evicted. An event which I await with eager anticipation (but not bated breath). ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/138 "2021-02-02T20:34:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Somehow that all still didn’t work, so now Trump has a new legal team: And they hit the ground running > ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/139 "2021-02-02T20:41:29Z")
Nothing says “I’m serious & not incompetent” like minor errors in a legal filing. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458/140 "2021-02-02T21:13:35Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Now I know what it felt like to live in 1925 or 1927 Germany. > > Post-Putsch, pre-Depression. A lot looks normal, but you can feel the ground shifting under your feet. I don’t feel it’s a valid comparison. In 1920’s Germany you had a dysfunctional country and the Nazis were able to use that as an opening to seize power. In 2020’s America we have a dysfunctional political party that’s looking for an opening to seize power. The Republicans are trying to use their own incompetence as a weapon against competent people. Which is not a very good plan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/citizen-trump-et-al/930458.md?page=8)