# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/201 "2023-05-09T19:29:56Z")
Paging Doonesbury: [![](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.7282a18241dc2bcf9eaf08cf0000dd2f?rik=8juAXfGcnJOtAw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.penguinpetes.com%2fimages%2fguilty_guilty_guilty.jpg&ehk=P7gqNn5o%2b4Fdm%2b7xig0s3sdMiO3f6WC7z4q3PlyxEWg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0) ](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.7282a18241dc2bcf9eaf08cf0000dd2f?rik=8juAXfGcnJOtAw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.penguinpetes.com%2fimages%2fguilty_guilty_guilty.jpg&ehk=P7gqNn5o%2b4Fdm%2b7xig0s3sdMiO3f6WC7z4q3PlyxEWg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0) ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/202 "2023-05-09T19:31:13Z")
The complaint alleged that there was battery that included first degree rape, third degree rape, first degree sexual abuse, third degree sexual abuse, sexual misconduct and forcible touching, all of which are different crimes but any of which could have constituted battery, and which qualified the case as being timely under the new NY law reopening the statute of limitations. So any one of those things happening would have sufficed, and the jury was asked about all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/203 "2023-05-09T19:32:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I was thinking it was a unanimous vote in the first 3 minutes, and then they decided to stay for lunch. This is by far and away the most common situation. One vote, “Let’s eat!” then return the verdict. I did find it interesting that one reporter on MSNBC said that at least one juror was a total MAGA person who took all his news from one hard right wing source (the name escapes me). Yet he still found for Carroll. This is why I generally trust juries to get it right when presented with good evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/204 "2023-05-09T19:32:20Z")
Two her titles are _A Dog in Heat is a Hot Dog_ and _Female Difficulties_. Prescient and ironic, in retrospect. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/205 "2023-05-09T19:32:35Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I have to agree that has base will act exactly that way. For many of them, they actually _LIKE_ that he sexually assaults women. The agree with him that this is what powerful men are allowed to do. “Fortunately” for them, in Trump’s own words. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/206 "2023-05-09T19:32:46Z")
e jean carroll has the biggest smile ever on her exit from the court house. seriously ear to ear. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/207 "2023-05-09T19:33:31Z")
Thank you for the thorough explanation. My internet pooched 2 weeks ago and I was substantially out of touch during much of this trial, unable to follow it regularly. How you explain it makes total sense. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/208 "2023-05-09T19:34:19Z")
Trump just said on Truth Social that he had no idea who Carroll was and it’s all part of the biggest witch hunt ever. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/209 "2023-05-09T19:34:54Z")
Learned it 5 minutes ago myself! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/210 "2023-05-09T19:35:13Z")
Can Trump be taken to court again if he continues to defame her by lying about her? ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/211 "2023-05-09T19:35:17Z")
Looks like $5,000,000.00. As mentioned above, we’d want to see the verdict form, but the below offers perspective. $2,000,000.00 - For the unwanted touching, jury said it was battery (unwanted touching) and “abuse”, but did not find it amounted to rape. In theory it could have been all - battery, abuse, rape (all rape includes unwanted touching…obviously; I’m less clear how they are defining “abuse”). Late edit: Judge Lewis A. Kaplan said that for the jury to establish that Trump raped Carroll, she had to prove that Trump engaged in sexual intercourse with her, and that he did it without her consent. The judge said that sexual intercourse includes “any penetration of the penis into the vaginal opening.” - per NYT $3,000,000.00 (total) for the defamation aspects. An unofficial transcript…(per Inner City Press)\*\* _Judge Kaplan: Clerk will publish the verdict._ _Clerk: As to battery, did Ms. Carroll prove that Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll? Answer. NO_ _Clerk: Abused Ms. Carroll? Yes. Dollar amount: $2 million_ _Clerk: Wonton disgard? Yes. $20,000. Defamation? Yes. Trump’s statement false? Yes. Actual malice? Yes. Injured? Yes. Amount: $1 million. Reputation repair program: $1.7 million._ _Clear: Wonton? Yes. Amount: $280,000._ Please check my work and/or let me know what I’m getting wrong. \*\*I don’t know that this transcript isn’t leaving out parts. After the last sentence, Defense attorney wanted to poll jury so I know that’s the end. But again, not sure if there’s missing stuff in the middle. I’m adding this edit based on **Jimmy Chitwood** post above describing the various types of sexual abuse. Maybe an answer of “no” to rape makes all the different types moot. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/212 "2023-05-09T19:35:57Z")
Wanton. But it still works. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/213 "2023-05-09T19:36:50Z")
Maybe so, but I’ll go out on a limb and predict much bigger witch hunts still to come 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/214 "2023-05-09T19:37:16Z")
Trump: “They accused me of eating Wontons! I only order the fried rice! I never have the wontons! Deep state! Witch hunt!” ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/215 "2023-05-09T19:39:37Z")
ha, yea. I just copied and pasted, though. Didn’t want to edit anything. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/216 "2023-05-09T19:39:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Can Trump be taken to court again if he continues to defame her by lying about her? Man, wouldn’t it be amazing if the court could just keep tacking on additional damages every time he continued to lie about and defame her? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/217 "2023-05-09T19:40:38Z")
judge privately cautioned jurors about identifying themselves or each other upon releasing them. the talking heads are saying that rarely happens, mostly in organized crimes cases. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/218 "2023-05-09T19:41:47Z")
Trump is the champion of disorganized crime. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/219 "2023-05-09T19:41:47Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > mostly in organized crimes cases. And Trump is the wish dot com version of a mob boss. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/220 "2023-05-09T19:42:19Z")
Wondering if the CNN “Town Hall” with Trump will continue as scheduled? (Tomorrow night.) And if it does, will this be addressed? And will Ms Carroll have her lawyers (well, their law school interns) at the ready to take more defamatory statements, if needed? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=12)