# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/461 "2024-01-17T19:20:04Z")
Doesn’t he have a rally scheduled on the same day as his mother-in-law’s funeral? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/462 "2024-01-17T19:28:15Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > trump attorney has just asked that the judge recuse himself for “general hostility” the judge denies the request. > > playing for cameras that are not there. This is their whole game plan. Playing the victim. “hostility” Boo hoo, poor little Trumpie. Everyone is so mean to him. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/463 "2024-01-17T19:40:03Z")
Of course the obvious solution is quit doing so much illegal stuff and you won’t be spending so much time in courtrooms. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/464 "2024-01-17T19:42:22Z")
he has a rally scheduled for tonight at 7pm. i don’t know about tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/465 "2024-01-17T20:24:06Z")
I’d really like to know if this is true, because I would think the judge would want to point that out to everyone. Regarding the rest of it, I wish the Judge could say “OK, I know you want to get tossed out to bolster your victim status, and I’m not going to play into it. You’ll stay right there. Bailiff, please apply the orange ball gag to Mr. Trump” ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/466 "2024-01-17T23:16:07Z")
Habba says she has 30 minutes more for cross examination tomorrow. Trump left the court room after her last question of the day before the jury left. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/467 "2024-01-18T00:20:09Z")
He had to hurry over to 40 Wall Street, to make a speech to the media. CNN showed it. It was the usual blather. Plus this time, he complained how unfair the judge was because the judge wouldn’t pause proceedings tomorrow, so Trump could attend his mother-in-law’s funeral. Apparently, the judge said Trump could attend the funeral, or be in court, his choice, but the judge was not going to cancel court tomorrow. Trump’s attendance in court is not absolutely necessary, so he could attend the funeral while the matter continued. But it’s one more thing that Trump can complain about, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/468 "2024-01-18T00:47:17Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > he could attend the funeral while the matter continued From a show-biz, sympathy from the jury view - he should. Then Habba could point it out. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/469 "2024-01-18T00:51:15Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > From a show-biz, sympathy from the jury view - he should. So then he probably won’t. He’ll likely be at a rally, insulting the judge and possibly getting in some more defamation against Jean Carroll for good measure. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/470 "2024-01-18T03:47:33Z")
I haven’t had this much fun following a trial in a very, very long time. Judge Kaplan does not seem at all concerned about treating Trump and his team with kid gloves and it was immensely satisfying to learn Habba had the temerity to tell the judge, “I don’t like to be spoken to that way, your honor” was just perfect. We continue to see that Habba is not skilled enough to even know the basics of how to introduce evidence let alone conduct herself properly in a courtroom. And Trump just can’t help himself. He’s in an out-of-control wagon soon to careen off a cliff and he’s slapping the reigns to make the horses go faster! It’s incredible. That’s said, what a weak pathetic man Trump is. Even if you think Trump’s getting a raw deal, his lack of impulse control is good evidence that he is not fit to be president. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/471 "2024-01-18T07:07:07Z")
> **[E. Jean Carroll judge bench-slaps Trump's attorney 14 times over basic...](https://www.businessinsider.com/e-jean-carroll-judge-bench-slaps-trump-attorney-alina-habba-2024-1)** > > The judge in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation trial repeatedly schooled Alina Habba on basic law, at one point tersely telling her, "sit down." - Wednesday was the first day of testimony in Trump’s second E. Jean Carroll defamation trial in NY. - A fed-up Judge Lewis Kaplan rebuked Trump lawyer Alina Habba at least 14 times throughout the day. - “Sit down,” he told her at one point. When she asked for a sidebar, he tersely responded, “No.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/472 "2024-01-18T07:09:12Z")
I get the sense Ms Habba isn’t very good at this lawyering thing. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/473 "2024-01-18T09:38:12Z")
Knowing Trump and his proclivities, I’m pretty sure that’s not the reason she was hired. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/474 "2024-01-18T09:43:24Z")
I’m sure the judge’s “hostility” will headline Trump’s inevitable appeal. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/475 "2024-01-18T10:04:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > - A fed-up Judge Lewis Kaplan rebuked Trump lawyer Alina Habba at least 14 times throughout the day. > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I’m sure the judge’s “hostility” will headline Trump’s inevitable appeal. This is all in front of a jury, so the judge cannot take the same tolerant approach to Trump team nonsense as Engoron did in a bench trial. And the appeals court will know that, so I don’t think any whining will get any traction. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/476 "2024-01-18T10:09:27Z")
But it will take up time. Especially if he dumps Habba and insists his new lawyer needs a few weeks to get familiar with the case. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/477 "2024-01-18T12:03:43Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Especially if he dumps Habba and insists his new lawyer needs a few weeks to get familiar with the case. Instead of a client dumping his/her lawyer, is it legally possible for a judge to order the dumping of a lawyer? In other words, if Judge Kaplan got sufficiently sick of putting up with Habba, could he evict (or whatever the proper term would be) her from the proceedings? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/478 "2024-01-18T12:45:04Z")
Trouble finding a cite for this, but I heard on TV that, during prospective jury selection, the judge asked if any of the potential jurors thought that the court system had treated Trump unfairly. Trump raised his hand. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/479 "2024-01-18T12:47:41Z")
I’d swear one of his lawyers in one of his cases already talked back to the judge in much the same way. Didn’t someone tell Engoron they ‘won’t be disrespected’? I’d swear it was Habba that time as well, is she his lawyer in the Engoron trial too? The closest I could find was her ‘telling’ Engoron she won’t tolerate being yelled at. But by ‘telling’ him, I mean she said it on camera, outside of court, where she has little to no chance of Engoron doing anything about it. Like flipping off that other driver, but doing it after you’re in the exit lane and there’s a concrete divider preventing them from doing anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/480 "2024-01-18T13:12:29Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Didn’t someone tell Engoron they ‘won’t be disrespected’? > I’d swear it was Habba that time as well, is she his lawyer in the Engoron trial too? That’s my recollection as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=25)