# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/541 "2024-01-22T03:55:41Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I’m curious, assuming she does actually own a gun, if she has all the proper licenses/permits that her jurisdiction requires for the way she’s using it, would that also be defamation on his part? I’m guessing that she does have everything properly licensed because she seems to have good legal counsel. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/542 "2024-01-22T10:33:23Z")
I thought she testified that she hadn’t gotten a license? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/543 "2024-01-22T10:37:09Z")
She did. She also confirmed she hadn’t gotten a license in the couple of seconds since Habba asked her the first time. That woman is a regular Perry Mason. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/544 "2024-01-22T10:38:30Z")
She’s not even a Hamilton Berger (who I always felt a little sorry for) from what I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/545 "2024-01-22T14:40:45Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Hamilton Berger I’ve always assumed Hamilton was a good DA (he kept the job for years, after all) but that he was Ahab to Perry’s Moby Dick (or Josh Allen to Mason’s Patrick Mahomes) - the one guy he can’t beat. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/546 "2024-01-22T14:45:26Z")
I’d hope she went to her local city hall the next business day and got that paperwork filled out and paid (along with any fines for having the gun without a license). And maybe handed the gun over to someone that was legal to hold on to it until then. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/547 "2024-01-22T14:50:00Z")
Adding additional evidence of defamation damages while they happen in real time is one of the weirdest aspects of this trial. > [@Folacin](#): > > I’ve always assumed Hamilton was a good DA (he kept the job for years, after all) but that he was Ahab to Perry’s Moby Dick (or Josh Allen to Mason’s Patrick Mahomes) - the one guy he can’t beat. Anyone going up against Perry Mason would be faced with the problem that all his clients happen to always be innocent. He only represented innocent people, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/548 "2024-01-22T14:56:07Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I thought she testified that she hadn’t gotten a license? > [@Stratocaster](#): > > She did. She also confirmed she hadn’t gotten a license in the couple of seconds since Habba asked her the first time. Thanks, clearly I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/549 "2024-01-22T14:56:29Z")
> [@Motion](#): > > > While Defendant has suggested that he would offer testimony relating to common law malice for purposes of the jury’s assessment of punitive damages, ECF 265 at 2, **defense counsel has repeatedly made clear that they do not understand the implications of the Court’s collateral estoppel decision on this issue**. This is a bit unfair. Habba recently learned what “collateral estoppel” is from representing Trump in the NY civil fraud case. It’s where Donald Trump says his collateral is worth $1 billion and the judge tells him to stop making shit up and closes down his business, right? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/550 "2024-01-22T14:57:07Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > all his clients happen to always be innocent And white, I believe. Black and innocent may not have worked even for him. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/551 "2024-01-22T15:03:17Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’ve always assumed Hamilton was a good DA The actor who played Hamilton Berger, [William Tasman](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Talman_(actor)#:~:text=William%20Whitney%20Talman%20Jr.,the%20television%20series%20Perry%20Mason.&text=William%20Whitney%20Talman%20Jr.,-February%204%2C%201915) had an interesting life. He partied hard and was arrested at least once for lewd activity. He was the first actor to speak out about the dangers of tobacco smoking, filming public service ads as he died of lung cancer. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/552 "2024-01-22T15:09:32Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > She’s not even a Hamilton Berger > [@kayaker](#): > > The actor who played Hamilton Berger … Please, folks! The name was Hamilton Burger (really). Otherwise, what’s the fun? 😃 /end hijack ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/553 "2024-01-22T15:27:24Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > The actor who played Hamilton Berger, [William Tasman](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Talman_(actor)#:~:text=William%20Whitney%20Talman%20Jr.,the%20television%20series%20Perry%20Mason.&text=William%20Whitney%20Talman%20Jr.,-February%204%2C%201915) had an interesting life. Another nitpick: Talman, not Tasman. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/554 "2024-01-22T15:43:01Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > This is a bit unfair. Habba recently learned what “collateral estoppel” is from representing Trump in the NY civil fraud case. It’s where Donald Trump says his collateral is worth $1 billion and the judge tells him to stop making shit up and closes down his business, right? I mean, for a quick and dirty layman’s definition…yeah, it’s not that far off. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/555 "2024-01-22T15:49:47Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > Another nitpick: Sorry. Had about 4 hours of sleep the entire weekend. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/556 "2024-01-22T16:05:16Z")
a sick juror and habba’s covid exposure has delayed the trial today. the judge did give them the option to go ahead with 8 jurors, and habba declined that option. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/557 "2024-01-22T16:07:56Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > a sick juror and habba’s covid exposure has delayed the trial today. So…what happens if she continues to expose herself to covid (or say she’s been exposed)? Did she just find a loophole to delay the trial for the foreseeable future or is the judge able to force her to have someone else take over to keep things moving along? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/558 "2024-01-22T16:10:32Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the judge did give them the option to go ahead with 8 jurors, and habba declined that option. Of course they prefer the delay. The judge has the option to continue with 8 (or 7 or even 6). As I understand it, he’s waiting a day for COVID results. (and perhaps to prevent further cross exposure). ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/559 "2024-01-22T16:18:21Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > And white, I believe. Black and innocent may not have worked even for him. This gives me a wonderful idea to reimagine _To Kill a Mockingbird_ with Perry handling the trial instead of Atticus. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/560 "2024-01-22T16:24:33Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > If she was the type of person/defendant to respond to statements he makes in press conferences, this, IMO, would be one to latch on to. In fact, every one of his presidential opponents, from both sides, should be spinning this paragraph (and it doesn’t require all that much spinning) to show that this super duper far right republican doesn’t think she should have the right to bear arms. I think the way it would be spun by his supporters is that of course Trump is in favor of everyone having all the guns they want without the government batting an eye, he was just complaining about the hypocrisy of the system where the deep state comes down hard on good solid Americans who use their guns to fend off BLM protestors who are walking past their house with rape on their mind, while this certified lunatic who fantasized a story about a romantic encounter with the greatest president the country has ever known, is allowed to get away scot free. Its this story that proves how wrong our country’s gun laws are. I will now undergo a ritual brain cleansing to undo the trauma of trying to think like a Trumper. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=29)