# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/741 "2024-01-26T23:12:06Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > From what I hear. IANAL, I work in a machine shop. You’re still a better lawyer than Habba. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/742 "2024-01-26T23:13:19Z")
You’d think a “billionaire” would hire better lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/743 "2024-01-26T23:13:22Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You’re still a better lawyer than Habba So is a hamburger. It’s not a very high bar. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/744 "2024-01-26T23:13:41Z")
The lawyers will get a chunk, sure, for fees and expenses (litigating is not cheap, not even counting attorneys’ fees), but the bulk of the money will go to Carroll, assuming she wins upon appeal. If Trump prevails, he’ll get back the escrowed amount but will still be on the hook to pay his own attorneys… ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/745 "2024-01-26T23:15:07Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > The lawyers will get a chunk, sure, for fees and expenses Sorry, that was meant to be a ‘nobody wins but the lawyers’ type joke. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/746 "2024-01-26T23:15:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You’re still a better lawyer than Habba. Pretty low bar, though! 😉 I wonder if the Orange Menace – who fires pretty much everyone that isn’t named “Ivanka” after a fairly small number of Scaramuccis – will keep this loser on? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/747 "2024-01-26T23:20:18Z")
I am having celebrational beverage and treat. Melania should start the divorce now, before more judgements come down the pike. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/748 "2024-01-26T23:20:47Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I wonder if the Orange Menace – who fires pretty much everyone that isn’t named “Ivanka” after a fairly small number of Scaramuccis – will keep this loser on? No doubt it’s been mentioned somewhere in the thread that Habba appears to have put some effort into styling herself (hair and makeup) as a virtual twin of Melania. Donald knows, if he knows anything, that whatever he thinks of Melania, he can’t fire her. Counting on Trump to be confused doesn’t seem like the worst plan in the world. He’s kind of known for it. (Though of course it would have been smarter of Habba to style herself after Ivanka.) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/749 "2024-01-26T23:27:51Z")
He _can_ appeal without posting a bond. A bond (or cash) stops collection efforts though., so you almost never see an appeal without a bond. And yes, the bond should be for enough money to cover the full amount of the judgment plus the interest the judgment is earning. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/750 "2024-01-26T23:27:54Z")
Former Florida sheriffs deputy here; yep, all part of the job executing writs of attachment. Yes, at gun point, if need be. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/751 "2024-01-26T23:36:12Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > By that same logic, it may also make more sense for Trump not to appeal. He can surely come up with excuse after excuse after excuse to pay her next Wednesday instead of today, but that won’t fly with the courts if he wants to appeal. If he doesn’t pay her voluntarily, she doesn’t have to wait. Once she gets a judgment, she can enforce it by civil debt collection process, as others have mentioned. There are extensive methods for collecting on a judgment, as Raza and Procrustus have mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/752 "2024-01-26T23:37:01Z")
Thanks for the actual legal information. You need any steel machined? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/753 "2024-01-26T23:46:27Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Once she gets a judgment, she can enforce it by civil debt collection process, as others have mentioned. There are extensive methods for collecting on a judgment. And it’s not as if he can claim to be [judgment-proof](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/j/judgment-proof.asp). ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/754 "2024-01-26T23:51:49Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > As i understand it, the money goes into an interest-bearing escrow account, and whoever wins the final appeal gets it all. The award can be reduced on appeal in which case it would be divided. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/755 "2024-01-26T23:55:43Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Hey, where’s Melania? Has she been around? By his side? She’s been seen with him a couple times in the last few years but is not campaigning or going to court with him. I believe that if he is elected, she will not be going to the White House. She didn’t want to the first time and I’m sure she knows the “but what if I didn’t” stance will work for her just as well as anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/756 "2024-01-26T23:55:52Z")
Oh man I’d buy tickets for that. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/757 "2024-01-26T23:58:10Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > You’d think a “billionaire” would hire better lawyers. The better ones won’t work for him. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/758 "2024-01-27T00:01:08Z")
Trump does not hire lawyers. He uses them and then at the end, wads them up like used toilet paper and flushes them. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/759 "2024-01-27T00:03:27Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > The better ones won’t work for him. At one point, he said that lawyers should work for him for free, because working for him would enhance their personal reputations. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/760 "2024-01-27T00:07:57Z")
Habba is some kind of Senior advisor to Trump’s Super PAC so she is getting paid but not by him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=39)