# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/761 "2024-01-27T00:14:28Z")
From the Guardian: > Trump called the verdict “absolutely ridiculous” and claimed it was part of a Joe “Biden-directed witch hunt” against “me and the Republican party”. For a doddering old fool (according to Trump), Joe Biden sure seems on top of things (again, according to Trump). Which is it, Donald? > **[Angry Trump fumes after $83.3m damages ruling in E Jean Carroll case](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/26/trump-damages-e-jean-carroll-defamation-case)** > > Former president calls verdict ‘absolutely ridiculous’ and accuses Biden of directing ‘witch-hunt’ against him and Republicans ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/762 "2024-01-27T00:32:33Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > She’s [Carroll is] a drug addict, according to a friend This … seems like a great way to get Ms. Habba herself into a defamation suit. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/763 "2024-01-27T00:37:57Z")
As I often do when these sorts of major stories break, I check in to see how Fox News is handling it. As of a few minutes ago, here’s how: - The main story: Biden has changed his mind about something to do with razor wire on border walls – one way or another, I’m not sure, as I didn’t read the article, but I assume that it proves that Biden is both senile and incompetent. Then there are two secondary stories, of about equal stature: - A 38-year-old Memphis TV news personality has died. The cause of death is not disclosed. According to other (legitimate) news sites, it was a medical emergency. Fox News, however, helpfully points to the high crime rates in Memphis which – as Fox helpfully informs us – has a Democratic mayor. - At the same level of importance, a jury has awarded ridiculous damages against Trump in the E Jean Carroll case. The article consists almost entirely of Trump’s twuths on Twuth Social. (The headline over the image link is “Absolutely ridiculous!”) I feel physically ill after visiting Fox News. I do it so you don’t have to. You’re welcome. 🤢. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/764 "2024-01-27T00:40:30Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Hey, where’s Melania? Has she been around? By his side? I’m sure she is right there, spiritually, if not personally. After all, this is her pre-nup deal fortune Trump is blowing away. And for his usual philandering. She must be pissed off. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/765 "2024-01-27T00:56:02Z")
You took a _big_ one for the team. Have a Caesar and put it on my tab. Good Wolfpup. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/766 "2024-01-27T01:06:31Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Have a Caesar and put it on my tab. Have one of these Caesars: > **[Calgary Giant Caesar Spot Is A New Must-Try Spot Serving Caesars Topped With...](https://www.narcity.com/calgary/calgary-giant-caesar-spot-is-a-new-must-try-spot-serving-caesars-topped-with-burgers)** > > Everyone knows that a good old fashioned Caesar is the classic Canadian cocktail. Not only is it bright red and patriotic, but you literally cannot get it anywhere else. Just try going to a bar in the United States for example and they won't even... ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/767 "2024-01-27T01:17:04Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > She’s [Carroll is] a drug addict, according to a friend The friend was undercover. Paid for by Kaplans firm. [https://youtu.be/S86VZES9WpY?t=370](https://youtu.be/S86VZES9WpY?t=370) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/768 "2024-01-27T01:18:59Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I feel physically ill after visiting Fox News. I do it so you don’t have to. You’re welcome. 🤢. What a mensch! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/769 "2024-01-27T01:21:23Z")
But I would gladly pay you for this hamburger on Tuesday… ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/770 "2024-01-27T01:36:40Z")
The reaction to this case (not here) distresses me. The insults about her looks, her having a healthy view of (consensual) sex. If she had accused Biden of this, they would adore her. I used to read her Elle columns all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/771 "2024-01-27T01:45:11Z")
[This threw me into laughter:](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-68109585?src_origin=BBCS_BBC) Kaplan:Does the M mean millions? Jury Foreman: Yes, Your Honor. 🤣 Scroll down to 14:58 in the article. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/772 "2024-01-27T02:21:04Z")
Responding again to the comments about why the judge wasn’t coming down hard on Trump for his disrespect, one of the commentators on the BBC has made a similar point as I made upthread: the jurors could see Trump’s behaviour and that may have influenced their decision: > [@](#): > > Law professor Carl Tobias says he thinks Trump’s “misbehaviour throughout the trial” - for example when he was told off by the judge for interrupting - and especially his conduct during the closing arguments today partly explain the substantial size of the award. > > Earlier, Trump was seen shaking his head during closing arguments and then stood up and left midway through. > > Tobias says “the lack of respect which Trump exhibited for the judge, the jurors, the opposing counsel, especially Carroll and the civil trial process may have suggested to the jury that Trump had defamed Carroll and reinforced the strength of her case, the credibility of her testimony, and that a large damage award was appropriate and warranted”. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/773 "2024-01-27T02:46:43Z")
It was mentioned on msnbc that trump park avenue was assessed at 84 m. Perhaps Mr Carroll could get that property. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/774 "2024-01-27T03:12:24Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Perhaps Mr Carroll could get that property. It sounds like you figure on Carroll also winding up with someone’s balls out of the deal… ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/775 "2024-01-27T04:34:54Z")
Reading about Trump getting his deserts for being unable to keep his trap shut reminds me of this classic bugs bunny cartoon. > **[From Hare to Heir](https://www.b98.tv/video/hare-heir/)** > > The Duke of Yosemite- Sam- is low on cash. Bugs shows up, offering 1,000,000 pounds but deducting every time Sam loses his temper. I may have linked to it before ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/776 "2024-01-27T08:24:26Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > It was mentioned on msnbc that trump park avenue was assessed at 84 m. Perhaps Mr Carroll could get that property. Assessed by whom? Donald Trump would value one of his ashtrays at $84-million if he wanted it to be. Ms. Carroll (and her lawyers) should get cold, hard cash. If Trump, or some court receiver, needs to sell his Park Avenue property, do it. If that covers the $83.3-million, fine; if not, sell something else. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/777 "2024-01-27T08:43:38Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Trump would value one of his ashtrays at $84-million if he wanted it to be. I read somewhere that Trump’s boasting in some other trial about the high value of his properties (I forget which trial – who can keep track of them all – but I think it was the Trump Org fraud trial) would come back to bite him in this ass in **this** trial, as indeed it did. The high value of the award was largely premised on his presumed wealth, as claimed by the Orange Buffoon himself. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/778 "2024-01-27T12:28:17Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > **She’s [Carroll is] a drug addict**, according to a friend. Violation of our justice system. So now Trump’s attorney Alina Habba is defaming Carroll. Hahaahhahah. I wonder if Habba is going to defend herself when she gets dragged into court. Hahahhhahaha. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/779 "2024-01-27T12:28:26Z")
I read somewhere that Trump recently claimed to have over $200 million in cash/ready assets (presumably no one actually has $200 million in a checking account). Possibly that was brought up in the recent court proceeding? In the unlikely event that is true, coming up with the appeal bond should be no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/780 "2024-01-27T12:30:40Z")
He did, last spring, I believe, in a deposition. He claimed to have north of $400M in cash, and growing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=40)