# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/901 "2024-01-30T06:24:22Z")
> [@](#): > > “The last I heard, Ms. Habba, I do not need announcements from counsel on what they intend to do,” Kaplan instructed when Habba interrupted Carroll’s direct testimony by standing up and saying her opponents “opened the door” on an issue that she would, as a result, address during cross-examination later. Forget Perry Mason, it sounds like she learned about lawyering from playing Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJxg5sdXsAI5UXe.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJxg5sdXsAI5UXe.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/902 "2024-01-30T06:55:52Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > E. Jean Carroll says she might use the money to help other women Trump has hurt. I hope she does, and that he fumes every time her name is mentioned. > > [E. Jean Carroll says she plans to use $83 million on 'something Donald Trump hates' - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/jean-carroll-plans-83-million-donald-trump-hates/story?id=106751516) As soon as I read about her “I’d like to give the money to something Donald Trump hates” quote, I started hoping she would donate a sizable chunk to shark conservation groups because if there’s anything Trump hates more in this world than democracy, it’s sharks. > **[Stormy Daniels' Full Interview: Inside Her Affair With Donald Trump](https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/stormy-daniels-full-interview-151788/)** > > Porn star Stormy Daniels confirmed she had an affair with Donald Trump in an exclusive 2011 interview with In Touch, five years before she was reportedly paid $130,000 by the president to stay... From the interview: > He is obsessed with sharks. Terrified of sharks. He was like, “I donate to all these charities and I would never donate to any charity that helps sharks. I hope all the sharks die.” ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/903 "2024-01-30T17:33:15Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > IANAL, but what I gathered from the tweet was that a competent lawyer would have objected to many of the exhibits, preserving the option of appeal. So, for example, an attorney might have objected to the introduction of the video of the deposition where Trump boasted of his massive wealth. > > “Objection, your Honor! These are off-the-cuff comments, not audited financial statements, clearly prejudicial to a jury assessing the size of a judgment relative to a defendant’s wealth.” I can just picture a comical scene where Trump objects to his own lawyer, purely for them making out that he isn’t as rich as he says he is. Judge: Mr Trump, you want to object to your own defence lawyer?! Trump: Yes your honour Judge (sighing): Overruled ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/904 "2024-01-30T17:35:40Z")
> [@iamatractorboy](#): > > I can just picture a comical scene where Trump objects to his own lawyer, purely for them making out that he isn’t as rich as he says he is. I was just thinking that - Trump would rather take the hit (and assume he’ll get someone else to pay for it) than admit he’s not worth as much as he claims. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/905 "2024-01-30T17:44:04Z")
So its been several days and Trump still hasn’t called Carroll a nasty woman or otherwise further defamed her. This indicates to me that for once in his life the consequences of his attitudes and actions may have actually penetrated his pea brain. My question is will there be any spill over from this into any of his other cases. Will he have realized that being awful and disrespectful to the judge and the court system may actually lead to bad things happening to him, or is this just a one off where he has learned that if he defames Carroll it will be bad for him, but continues to attack Engoron and his clerk. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/906 "2024-01-30T17:47:00Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And I’m not a trial lawyer, but as I’m reading that, I think: “Oh yeah, we covered that in evidence. That one in civ pro. That one in advocacy…” Some of what the article lays out is incompetence and/or inexperience. In her defense (sorry) some is due to the hardass judge. The question "“That’s a lot of appearances for somebody who doesn’t want to attract attention, isn’t it, Ms. Carroll?” would be allowed by many judges in cross examination. One thing about pissing off the judge, though, is you don’t get a long leash anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/907 "2024-01-30T17:50:05Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > This indicates to me that for once in his life the consequences of his attitudes and actions may have actually penetrated his pea brain. That’s a stretch. Occam’s Razor tells me that it’s more likely that someone is monitoring his social media accounts, and scrubbing the defamation before it goes out. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/908 "2024-01-30T18:23:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Occam’s Razor tells me that it’s more likely that someone is monitoring his social media accounts, and scrubbing the defamation before it goes out. Or he has more pressing concerns. > **[Trump lashes out at financial monitor in business fraud case after she...](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/29/trump-attacks-monitor-in-business-fraud-case-after-she-reports-errors.html)** > > New York Attorney General Letitia James accuses Donald Trump, his two adult sons and his company of fraudulently inflating Trump's asset values. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/909 "2024-01-30T18:24:41Z")
.nvm. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/910 "2024-01-30T19:02:07Z")
To sum up what they’re asking: The monitor found ongoing concerns and false reporting by Trump org, therefore we want her removed from her oversight position of Trump org. Do they even understand what is going on here? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/911 "2024-01-30T19:16:06Z")
“Understanding” is a Woke Thing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/912 "2024-01-30T19:18:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > found ongoing concerns and false reporting Did she? Or is she making it all up to help sleepy Joe steal another election and destroy America and turn all the banks into boats or whatever? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/913 "2024-01-30T19:22:19Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Do they even understand what is going on here? Come on, it was only a small $48 million loan, with no paperwork, and no liabilities or obligations outstanding, because of course that’s how loans work. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/914 "2024-01-30T19:29:07Z")
yeah - its just a shell game after all. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/915 "2024-01-30T19:42:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Did she? Or is she making it all up to help sleepy Joe steal another election and destroy America and turn all the banks into boats or whatever? I say potato, you say potato. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/916 "2024-01-30T20:33:30Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Come on, it was only a small $48 million loan, with no paperwork, and no liabilities or obligations outstanding, because of course that’s how loans work. And so what if it was a fake loan that didn’t actually exist, and was only fabricated on paper in order to avoid income taxes. That’s what smart people do, right? Also, Hunter Biden had a laptop. AND a penis. And also, also, Trump has a very good explanation for this: > “We don’t assess any value to it because we don’t care,” Trump said in the interview. “I have the mortgage. That is all there is. Very simple. I am the bank.” Sure. That makes a lot of cofeve sense. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/917 "2024-01-30T20:39:04Z")
Moderating: > [@Horatius](#): > > Come on, it was only a small $48 million loan, with no paperwork, and no liabilities or obligations outstanding, because of course that’s how loans work. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And so what if it was a fake loan that didn’t actually exist, and was only fabricated on paper in order to avoid income taxes. That’s what smart people do, right? You’re in the wrong thread for this discussion. Please take it to the Letitia James thread if you have further comments to make. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Loggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Loggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loggins)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/918 "2024-01-30T21:32:54Z")
If trump have stopped defaming Carroll, perhaps the 84 mill worked. I think trump woke up and smelled the covfefe. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/919 "2024-01-30T21:34:50Z")
Just for completeness, and because I don’t think I saw it mentioned yet in this thread, apparently Alina Hobbit [alleges some potential conflict of interest](https://www.newsweek.com/alina-habba-conflict-judge-kaplan-e-jean-carroll-lawyer-1865169#:~:text=In%20her%20filings%2C%20Habba%20accused,the%20federal%20bench%20in%201994) because 30 years ago both judge and atty Kaplans worked for the same law firm for 1.5-2 years or so. Man, when you are in a hole that big, you might as well keep digging, huh? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/920 "2024-01-30T21:55:42Z")
She’s already submitted to the court an “I was just asking questions, ha ha.” letter. Golly, she really is out of her element. > [@The Alina Habba Pit thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/196): > > Habba had sent a letter claiming that the judge and prosecutor had once had a mentoring relationship. Both denied this, with Carroll’s lawyer mentioning sanctions, and suddenly a I Was Just Asking Questions response from Habba has been sent. What a maroon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=47)