# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/101 "2023-05-06T01:49:23Z")
I suspect it’ll also cut the inevitable appeal off at the knees. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/102 "2023-05-06T01:54:50Z")
He’ll blame his lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/103 "2023-05-06T02:16:54Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Tacopina told the judge that Trump wasn’t going to show up and was waiving his right to testify. Both the prosecution and the defense rested. The judge said “Ya know what, he did SAY he was going to show up so I’m going to give him a few days” Trump has no excuses now. MiedasTouch > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0IXHJGgqBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0IXHJGgqBI) Judge: Are you Trump doesn’t want any more rope to hang himself with? Lawyer: No we’re good Judge" Well, we’ll just leave this lovely 12 foot length of oiled hemp right out in front of Trump over the weekend just to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/104 "2023-05-06T02:20:49Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > If I were juror, that statement alone would convince me that he did it and didn’t see anything wrong about it. After he talked about how Carroll wasn’t his type, he followed up by telling the attorney that he wouldn’t assault her either and _he hoped that didn’t offend her_. The man has absolutely no idea how to be a decent human. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/105 "2023-05-06T02:32:01Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > I just saw, for the first time, the portion of Trump’s deposition where he was questioned about the whole “pussy grabbing” statement. > > “True with stars that they can grab women by the pussy?” Ms. Carroll’s lawyer, Roberta A. Kaplan, asks. > > “Well, that’s what — if you look over the last million years, I guess that’s been largely true,” Mr. Trump says. “Not always, but largely true. Unfortunately (and then he just couldn’t help himself) or fortunately.” Kaplan should have asked him, “Fortunately for who?” > > If I were juror, that statement alone would convince me that he did it and didn’t see anything wrong about it. The conversation in my house when that story came on the network news. “A million years, Mr. Trump?” “The Tyrannosaurus Rex was a very famous dinosaur, some say he was like a king, his name means dinosaur king I think. He was very famous and if you’ve seen his pictures he has special arms with tiny little hands, hands designed for grabbing dinosaur pussy. I always felt we might be related because he was a king, and his hands look like mine. And of course he was a pussy grabber, it’s like he was designed to grab pussy. Just like me. Except I didn’t do it.” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/106 "2023-05-06T02:37:57Z")
[All the released parts of Trump deposition](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA3lrm8pxME) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/107 "2023-05-06T03:10:22Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Something that is not done, once again, done for that defendant. I have seen judges give very strong hints to counsel that they may want to re-consider their strategy on a particular point. Heck, I was once in private judge’s chambers and heard the judge tell defence counsel he should consider switching from a jury trial to a judge-alone trial. It happens. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/108 "2023-05-06T04:47:20Z")
Good lord, Most of it is just general obfuscation insults and and lying, For example paraphasing (starting at 6:35) I very rarely visited Bergdorf’s department store …well maybe one or twice but never bought anything for my self … I’ve never bought anything for anyone else either … actually I don’t think I’ve ever been in there. But starting at 28:23, the discussion move to his use of the word swooned in a Twuth resulting in his claims that she said she loved the rape and thought it was sexy. 😲 So even though he claims this never happened he also has to claim that she wanted it. 🤮 For the record what he was referring to was [this](http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1906/24/acd.01.html) interview with Anderson Cooper. > CARROLL: I was not thrown on the ground and ravished. Which the word “rape” carries so many sexual connotations. This was not – this was not sexual. It just hurt. It just – > > COOPER: I think most people think of rape as a – it is a violent assault. It is not – > > CARROLL: I think most people think of rape as being sexy. > > COOPER: Let’s take a short break – > > CARROLL: They think of the fantasies… No Don, it doesn’t mean she thinks it was sexy. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/109 "2023-05-06T13:23:22Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > But starting at 28:23, the discussion move to his use of the word swooned in a Twuth resulting in his claims that she said she loved the rape and thought it was sexy. 😲 So even though he claims this never happened he also has to claim that she wanted it. 🤮 Wait a minute. That’s a confession right there. But he also confessed to obstruction of justice on a TV interview. This is just beyond rediculous. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/110 "2023-05-06T13:42:19Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > He’ll blame his lawyers. That’s a given. So is not paying them. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/111 "2023-05-06T18:38:54Z")
The whole “this was literally the plot line of a Law and Order SVU episode is just more Trumpian gaslighting. This was not the plot of a Law and Order SVU episode. Law and Order SVU never did an episode where the detectives investigated a rape that happened in a department store dressing room. There is an episode called Theatre Tricks where an actress gets raped onstage during a show that involves audience interaction, and everyone thought it was part of the show. Somewhere in the course of investigating that rape, the detectives are interviewing a man who is talking about his experiences with sexual roleplaying. One of the scenarios he describes is barging in on his consensual partner and having sex with her in a dressing room at Bergdorf. This piece of dialogue is less than 30 seconds long. But the idea that this was the “plot” of the episode is just more bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/112 "2023-05-06T22:36:24Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Somewhere in the course of investigating that rape, the detectives are interviewing a man who is talking about his experiences with sexual roleplaying. One of the scenarios he describes is barging in on his consensual partner and having sex with her in a dressing room at Bergdorf. This piece of dialogue is less than 30 seconds long. There’s also an episode of the original _L&O_ that begins with a security guard in a department store discovering a woman in lingerie in one of the dressing rooms after hours. Turns out she’s his girlfriend and he snuck her into the store for a little role playing. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/113 "2023-05-06T22:48:12Z")
I’m told there is a genre of porn where male store detectives / security guards detain female alleged shoplifters who’ll be able to get away with no report filed and no police being called if the shoplifter performs certain acts of … gratitude with/on the guard(s). Perhaps Trump is a fan of those & got that confused with Law & Order. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/114 "2023-05-06T22:54:54Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Perhaps Trump is a fan of those & got that confused with Law & Order. Not donald. He’s not participating. The idea came from his lawyer, Tacopenis. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/115 "2023-05-06T22:57:14Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I assume it would be diversity jurisdiction, since Trump is now a resident of Florida? The Court will be applying New York state law of defamation and sexual assault, including the recent waiver of limitation periods for civil claims relating to sexual assault. Jeebus – combine that with his criminal indictment, and just imagine someone with that track record from another country trying to enter the US. They’d be banned for life on the grounds of moral turpitude, a favoured term of the CPB. But if you’re an orange shit-gibbon, you have a good shot at another presidential term. No, there’s no problem at all with the American political culture, why do you ask? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/116 "2023-05-06T23:01:43Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Not donald. He’s not participating. > > The idea came from his lawyer, _Tacopenis_. Italics mine. The jokes practically write themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/117 "2023-05-07T00:30:06Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > But the idea that this was the “plot” of the episode is just more bullshit. And the amazing thing is how Carroll watched this episode of Law and Order, focused on that 30 seconds and then went _back in time_ to tell her younger self to call her friends and relay this plot device from a future TV show, so she could travel forward in time and accuse Trump. Very devious. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/118 "2023-05-07T11:38:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > hen went _back in time_ to tell her younger self to call her friends Easy-peasy - the DNC loaned her the time machine they used to get Obama’s birth announcement into that Hawaiian paper. Anything to smear TFG. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/119 "2023-05-07T21:40:21Z")
If I am correct, Trump has about 20 minutes to file a motion to allow the trial to re-open so that he can testify. Tick tock ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/120 "2023-05-07T21:44:17Z")
Oh, please let him do it. Please let him testify. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=7)