# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1201 "2024-03-08T16:18:09Z")
Is there any indication when the appeal will be heard, or how long it will take? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1202 "2024-03-08T16:57:50Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > Is there any indication when the appeal will be heard, or how long it will take ? It varies widely. I’m not familiar with the Second Circuit time lines, but I’d guess _roughly_ 18 months. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1203 "2024-03-08T17:10:10Z")
Who the heck was willing to secure Trump’s bond? I didn’t think he’d be able to put the cash up or put up a bond. Now I’m wondering about his other civil judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1204 "2024-03-08T17:11:56Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Who the heck was willing to secure Trump’s bond? (Paid in Rubles) ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1205 "2024-03-08T17:13:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > ETA: Someone better check to make sure the “bond” is not just a box filled with blank paper. To keep with the Big Lebowski theme, it would more likely be filled with his dirty undies. The whites. 🤮 It is odd he claims he needs more time and after being told no, almost immediately produces the money. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1206 "2024-03-08T17:14:31Z")
I think he meant “I need more (delay) time” ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1207 "2024-03-08T17:15:46Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > It is odd he claims he needs more time and after being told no, almost immediately produces the money. Nothing odd about it, really. He’s desperately trying to project an image of “strength”, and pushing the court into granting him a delay he doesn’t need, and that no one else would get, makes him look “strong”. Of course, it’s kind of backfired on him now, since he caved so quickly to the courts telling him “No!” ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1208 "2024-03-08T17:16:40Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > It is odd he claims he needs more time and after being told no, almost immediately produces the money. I’m starting to get the impression we can’t trust the former president. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1209 "2024-03-08T17:17:46Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Nothing odd about it, really. He’s desperately trying to project an image of “strength”, and pushing the court into granting him a delay he doesn’t need, and that no one else would get, makes him look “strong”. > > Of course, it’s kind of backfired on him now, since he caved so quickly to the courts telling him “No!” Nothing he does with the courts makes him look strong. His “losses” far outnumber his “wins”. Maybe he thinks the odds are going to tilt in his favor with one of the lawyers he finds advertising on bus benches. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1210 "2024-03-08T17:22:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > ETA: Someone better check to make sure the “bond” is not just a box filled with blank paper. It’s not. According to CNN, it’s been underwritten by Chubb: > **[Chubb Limited](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubb_Limited)** > > Chubb Limited is an American company incorporated in Zürich, Switzerland. It is the parent company of Chubb, a global provider of insurance products covering property and casualty, accident and health, reinsurance, and life insurance and is the largest publicly traded property and casualty insurance company in the world. Chubb operates in 55 countries and territories and in the Lloyd's insurance market in London. Clients of Chubb consist of multinational corporations and local businesses, i In 20... If anybody can underwrite such a bond, it is Chubb. How Trump convinced them to underwrite, I cannot even guess. They are very thorough in their choices as to what to underwrite; and like any surety underwriter, investigate risks so closely that they’ll only write a bond if they are assured that they will never have to pay it. Well, I guess they will get their fee, at least, and if it comes down to subrogating, they will be ruthless. Forget Carroll’s lawyers moving against Trump’s assets if he loses the appeal; if Chubb pays out and subsequently has to subrogate, Trump will be left with very little. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1211 "2024-03-08T17:23:38Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Well, I guess they will get their fee, at least, and if it comes down to subrogating, they will be ruthless. Perhaps they will get Mar a Lago. Edit: I wonder what the typical fee is. 10%? If their money is tied up for 18 months, that has to be taken into account. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1212 "2024-03-08T17:25:44Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Nothing he does with the courts makes him look strong. Yeah, but good luck trying to tell _him_ that. This is the guy who claims that world leaders are laughing at Obama and Biden, after some actual world leaders laughed at him right to his face. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Sr0DA1eBYSc/maxresdefault.jpg "World leaders laugh at Donald Trump as he brags about his achievements") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr0DA1eBYSc) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1213 "2024-03-08T17:27:39Z")
Good for ms Carroll. I don’t see the appeal going anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1214 "2024-03-08T17:31:35Z")
Same. And with Chubb underwriting the bond DJT is going to be in for a world of hurt when he loses and the money is paid out to Ms. Carroll. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1215 "2024-03-08T17:32:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Edit: I wonder what the typical fee is. 10%? If their money is tied up for 18 months, that has to be taken into account. I couldn’t say. I’ve known a few surety underwriters, and from what I can tell, it’s never a flat one-size-fits-all percentage. It’s based on the bond-seeker, the risk involved, and other factors. At any rate, there is a fee that Trump will have to pay, and if he doesn’t pay it, Chubb will again be ruthless in collecting it. Those folks make the Godfather’s collection guys look like pussycats. Yes, I have known a few Chubb employees. ---
**Author:** ![kay1864](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kay1864/32/16024_2.png) [@kay1864](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kay1864)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1216 "2024-03-08T17:37:06Z")
Text from a friend: Is it just me or is it amusing that Trump, with all of his problems keeping his dick under control, gets the money to pay E Jean Carroll from a company named “Chubb” ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1217 "2024-03-08T17:42:25Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > And with Chubb underwriting the bond DJT is going to be in for a world of hurt when he loses and the money is paid out to Ms. Carroll. They’ll call him up every week and play this: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/aTXSO4hRE34/maxresdefault.jpg "GTA 5 Radio Commercials - Jay's Bail Bonds") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTXSO4hRE34&t=7) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1218 "2024-03-08T17:55:34Z")
It may be that the terms he got from Chub weren’t to his liking and so he was hoping that with a few extra days he could shop around more, or negotiate something better with Chub. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1219 "2024-03-08T18:05:10Z")
That would actually make some sense. The bond with chubb was signed on Tuesday. He may have been looking for something more dodgy. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1220 "2024-03-08T18:14:55Z")
Presumably he had to show Chubb that he has unleveraged assets worth the balance of the bond, yeah? I bet that’s a pretty grim “finding nickels under the couch” situation relative to his overall debt. He was probably pounding the pavement hoping to find somebody willing to pony up the funds for him without all that embarrassing paperwork (and leverage). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=62)