# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1221 "2024-03-08T18:33:45Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The bond with chubb was signed on Tuesday. He may have been looking for something more dodgy. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > He was probably pounding the pavement hoping to find somebody willing to pony up the funds for him without all that embarrassing paperwork (and leverage). Paperwork wouldn’t have been a problem; even Trump knows that there would have been paperwork. But I do agree that he was shopping around for something better. Better to him, anyway; somebody with a less-expensive fee, somebody who wouldn’t scrutinize him so closely, somebody with whom he could negotiate subrogation terms, and so on. My guess is that he hates the terms he agreed to with Chubb, but signed with them as a backup, just in case his extension was not granted. If it was, he would have been shopping around for somebody else. If it wasn’t, he at least had a backup. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1222 "2024-03-08T18:52:58Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > if it comes down to subrogating, they will be ruthless. I’m reminded of the lenders in _Game Of Thrones_ (I think it was), who were ruthless. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1223 "2024-03-08T19:26:44Z")
I’m sure this has been covered here, but at 1200 posts damned if I can find it. 1. Is it true that this case cannot be appealed beyond the state level (that is, to SCOTUS)? 2. If that is true, why is that so? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1224 "2024-03-08T19:48:10Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > He was probably pounding the pavement hoping to find somebody willing to pony up the funds for him without all that embarrassing paperwork (and leverage). He may have been shopping around for somebody less likely to be able to actually collect the funds. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1225 "2024-03-08T19:49:19Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Who the heck was willing to secure Trump’s bond? I heard Chub insurance company. Or is it Chubb? I only heard it spoken. I wonder why he didn’t just take the money out of his checking account? I’m told he’s rich. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1226 "2024-03-08T19:53:00Z")
The name of the company is spelled Chubb. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1227 "2024-03-08T19:56:00Z")
It’s a fine name. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1228 "2024-03-08T19:56:13Z")
I’m not usually pro debt collector. In this case I’ll make an exception. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1229 "2024-03-08T20:05:13Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > 1. Is it true that this case cannot be appealed beyond the state level (that is, to SCOTUS)? > 2. If that is true, why is that so? > > Thanks! This case was tried in Federal Court. The appeal will be to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. NY state law applies. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1230 "2024-03-08T20:19:46Z")
Looking at Chubb, I’ll defer to those in the thread regarding their acumen in collecting. But… to me at least, they’re banking (snerk) on Trump losing the election. Because he’s flat out said he’ll throw out the Constitution and laws “if only” long enough to break all his enemies (fat chance). If that’s the case if Chubb is _lucky_ he strong arms NY (we’re cutting off all federal funds unless you make this go away, or we could just send in people to arrest you) and Trump gets his money back. Otherwise, again if Trump wins, I suspect he’ll call his Chubb rep and say “Now forget about that money, or I’ll have your ability to do business in the US cancelled. Or a drone could like, go off target…” I’d be very interested to know the calculus behind their choices. Or if the loan is secured by funds that are outside the US, whether Trump’s own, or those of others. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1231 "2024-03-08T20:21:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I’m reminded of the lenders in _Game Of Thrones_ (I think it was), who were ruthless. The Iron Bank of Braavos. How satisfying would it be if Trump ended up with a visit from a Faceless Man. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1232 "2024-03-08T20:24:53Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I heard Chub insurance company. Or is it Chubb? I only heard it spoken. > I wonder why he didn’t just take the money out of his checking account? I’m told he’s rich. I deal with Chubb for work as they’re the ones who handle our workers compensation insurance. I’m a little surprised to see they’re the ones who made it possible for Trump to post bond. I had no idea this was something they’d be willing to do for anyone. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1233 "2024-03-08T20:28:27Z")
I’m guessing that Putin said “Ummm… No” And that Musk said “Use your own damn money, and thanks for the overcooked steak, but next time, use Heinz” ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1234 "2024-03-08T21:00:25Z")
The judge has given Carroll an opportunity to object to the bond. So it’s not a done deal until Monday now. Is that normal procedure? Would she be better off accepting the bond, pending appeal outcome or going after properties right now? ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1235 "2024-03-08T21:00:36Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’m guessing that Putin said “Ummm… No” I think it makes more sense if Vlad said “I can’t just GIVE you the money, but if you get a bond from a company incorporated in say, Switzerland, I can make sure the funds are there to back it up” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1236 "2024-03-08T21:24:19Z")
> [@JacobSwan](#): > > The judge has given Carroll an opportunity to object to the bond. So it’s not a done deal until Monday now. Is that normal procedure? I assume it’s rather routine, giving the plaintiff a chance to say "Chubb? They ain’t got no money\> or other defects in the bond. With major insurer, I don’t expect any objection. As has been stated, Carroll’s ability to collect after appeal just got really easy. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1237 "2024-03-08T21:28:10Z")
One factor in getting the bond might be that the CEO of Chubb, Evan Greenberg, was appointed to the Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations by Trump. Perhaps this was Trump calling in the favor. [https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1238 "2024-03-08T21:30:14Z")
Question : If EJC is able to take Mar-a-Lago, and sell it for ~ 200 million, would she owe Trump ~ 100 million? This will never get out of the courts. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1239 "2024-03-08T21:33:30Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Odesio](#): > > > > Who the heck was willing to secure Trump’s bond? > > (Paid in Rubles) [![](https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4E22AQHZ_eHwVnAPkQ/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1709501488248?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=HYYVlqYQZ4z3U8wGV9ieEVAP0R9g84AGWcUp2Y6tTJ8) ](https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4E22AQHZ_eHwVnAPkQ/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1709501488248?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=HYYVlqYQZ4z3U8wGV9ieEVAP0R9g84AGWcUp2Y6tTJ8) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1240 "2024-03-08T21:34:57Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Question : If EJC is able to take Mar-a-Lago, and sell it for ~ 200 million, would she owe Trump ~ 100 million? Moot now that a bond has been posted, but yes, she can only keep what he owes her and perhaps the cost of collecting it [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=63)