# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1241 "2024-03-08T21:35:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Question : If EJC is able to take Mar-a-Lago, and sell it for ~ 200 million, would she owe Trump ~ 100 million? I don’t think that’s how it works. Trump owes Carroll 90+ million. She gets that in cash. It’s up to Trump how he gets that cash to her; Mortgages property, sells property, gets a bond company to front the cash (presumably by putting up assets that they can take if/when he loses). Edit: I suppose Trump might have just stonewalled her after the appeal. Her lawyers would then have had to go the collections route. Putting liens on property, confiscating assets via a sheriff etc. It would have dragged it out. However, As Procrustus says above, with Chubb putting up the bond, this just made Carroll’s collection way, way easier. Now if/when Trump loses the appeal, she gets the money right away. And it’s then up to Chubb to do the collections, using the legal documents they have to go after the assets that were the guarantee. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1242 "2024-03-08T22:01:14Z")
> [@Pazu](#): > > How satisfying would it be if Trump ended up with a visit from a Faceless Man. Jared Kushner has visited him multiple times. I know Chubb, I have long term disability insurance through them. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1243 "2024-03-08T22:04:48Z")
> [@JacobSwan](#): > > The judge has given Carroll an opportunity to object to the bond. What does that mean? Why would she object to the bond? ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1244 "2024-03-08T22:06:31Z")
What is the possible upside for Chubb in this? Did they do a legal analysis and figure he’ll win the appeal? If the fee is 1:1 I still wouldn’t do it. I always assumed that bonds were for a small-ish percentage of the total. That seems like a really shitty bet on Chubb’s part… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1245 "2024-03-08T22:11:45Z")
My WAG is that Chubb has set it up so that if he loses the appeals and then defaults they can grab assets that aren’t encumbered by mortgages in a prior position, assets that they can take without much difficulty. And what about the other 400 million or so judgment he needs to get a bond for? My WAG there is that getting the Carroll bond has actually made getting the bigger one harder, since he’ll have had to put up his best collateral for Chubb (no fools they) to take on the risk. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1246 "2024-03-08T22:12:25Z")
Been discussed upthread, but yes I agree with you - what’s the upside for Chubb? I really don’t think the odds are good for Trump to prevail on appeal. Maybe they figure the amount will be reduced by a significant percentage though. If Trump loses the appeal in entirety Chubb will have to go through Mr. “Delay, delay, delay, no I won’t pay you anything, will you take 10 cents on the dollar” Trump. Good luck with that. If Trump wins the election they are likely out the money. Trump will never pay their fee either. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1247 "2024-03-08T22:13:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump will never pay their fee either. I thought bonds always required the fee up front? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1248 "2024-03-08T22:15:15Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > And what about the other 400 million or so judgment he needs to get a bond for? That’ll easily come right out of his savings account at the bank. Dude is totally rich. He owns entire skyscrapers, and NFT manufacturing companies ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1249 "2024-03-08T22:16:59Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I thought bonds always required the fee up front? You may well be right… but if I were a company I would not deal with Trump in any fashion whatsoever, because of the Trump Rule ETTTTS: Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1250 "2024-03-08T22:18:48Z")
You owe me a new keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1251 "2024-03-08T22:18:51Z")
Are they collecting interest on this bond, from Trump? Maybe they’re of the assumption that between what he had to put down to get the bond, plus the interest, will cover the entire amount before the end of the appeal. If their agreement has him paying interest every week (or day or month), it would be in default quickly enough. But, is that a thing? Can a bond be called if the defendant doesn’t stay current on the payments? Also, would a bond be set up such that they defendant would have to make payments, even if they’re interest only, on it the entire time? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1252 "2024-03-08T22:28:46Z")
Chubb obviously charged a fee to do this. They may be doing the NY one as well and we don’t know yet as a package deal. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1253 "2024-03-08T22:33:25Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Perhaps they will get Mar a Lago. I would be willing to bet Trump had to hand over the deed on some actual property he owns to be held by Chubb and Chubb made sure the property was easily worth the cash they are putting up and had no liens on it. If Trump cannot pay them back, with interest, they get that property (maybe more than one). ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1254 "2024-03-08T22:51:03Z")
I’m not sure Trump is really that bad of a risk for Chubb. As the Republican nominee, he now gets to raid the PACs, the RNC, and right wing idiots to pay for his stuff. He spent almost half a billion to get elected in 2016, so shaving off a chunk of that to pay Chubb isnt a problem. And, if he does win the election, he’ll have little to no problem raiding US coffers and taking backdoor money from Putin and the Saudis for hundreds of millions more. Chubb’s betting the American people are fucking idiots. Thats not a bad bet. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1255 "2024-03-08T23:40:56Z")
He’s also got The Deep State working for him now, at the RNC: > **[RNC votes to install Donald Trump's handpicked chair as former president...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-set-finalize-rnc-takeover-051211725.html)** > > The Republican National Committee voted Friday to install Donald Trump’s handpicked leadership team, completing his takeover of the national party as the former president closes in on a third straight presidential nomination. Michael Whatley, a... > [@](#): > > The Republican National Committee voted Friday to install Donald Trump’s handpicked leadership team, completing his takeover of the national party as the former president closes in on a third straight presidential nomination. > > Michael Whatley, a North Carolina Republican who has echoed Trump’s false theories of voter fraud, was elected the party’s new national chairman in a vote Friday morning in Houston. Lara Trump, the former president’s daughter-in-law, was voted in as co-chair. > > Trump’s team is promising not to use the RNC to pay his mounting personal legal bills. But Trump and his lieutenants will have firm control of the party’s political and fundraising machinery with limited, if any, internal pushback. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1256 "2024-03-08T23:42:53Z")
The full takeover is now pretty much complete. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1257 "2024-03-08T23:56:57Z")
So Trump promised not to use the RNC money as his own? And the committee believed him? That breeze they feel? That’s the leopard, right there breathing on their faces. Dumbasses. They deserve everything they get. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1258 "2024-03-09T00:10:47Z")
Trump needs to raise about $400,000 per day, every day between now and the election in November to cover that cost (rough calculation). That’s a lot even for his rubes to come up with. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1259 "2024-03-09T00:32:40Z")
This article suggests Trump called in a big favor: > **[What Idiot Backed Trump’s Bond in E. Jean Carroll Trial? This One.](https://newrepublic.com/post/179692/idiot-back-trump-bond-e-jean-carroll-trial-evan-greenberg)** > > Good luck to this man. > It turns out that Trump may have called in a major favor: Court records filed Friday show that the bond was [guaranteed](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-posts-91-63m-bond-in-carroll-defamation-case-and-officially-files-appeal/) by the Chubb Corporation, an insurance group. In 2018, Trump [appointed](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts/) Chubb’s CEO Evan Greenberg to a White House advisory committee for trade policy and negotiations. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1260 "2024-03-09T00:43:53Z")
Could someone else be guaranteeing the bond through Chubb for Trump? Maybe someone who visited him recently? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=64)