# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1261 "2024-03-09T01:19:59Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Good fucking news. Shut the fuck up, Donnie You’re out of your element, Donnie. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1262 "2024-03-09T01:27:54Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Trump needs to raise about $400,000 per day, every day between now and the election in November to cover that cost (rough calculation). That’s a lot even for his rubes to come up with. Trump raised almost a billion dollars for himself in 2020. When you add in the PACs, the RNC, and others, the Republican party spent nearly $3 billion dollars on Trump in 2020. $400,000 a day for the orange grifter is nothing. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1263 "2024-03-09T05:57:27Z")
If he loses the appeal at this level, there is one more level before SCotUS. If Circuit rejects his appeal (refuses to take it up), would he then be screwed, or can he try to drag it out, to the top? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1264 "2024-03-09T06:04:03Z")
He can certainly try to ask the SCOTUS to hear the case. Normally I would say they would absolutely reject such a case but with this court? They might decide to hear the case. Anything to drag it out for their buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1265 "2024-03-09T06:09:28Z")
What constitutional question is being asked that would require the Supreme Court to weigh in on a civil suit between two private citizens? He can’t argue the facts of the case because those were aldeady determined in the first trial, and he can’t argue the amount is excessive since it’s well within the guidelines and, as he’s told the court and stated in public many times, he is Very Very Rich and can easily afford it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1266 "2024-03-09T06:15:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What constitutional question is being asked that would require the Supreme Court to weigh in on a civil suit between two private citizens? You keep saying this. The Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction. They can hear pretty much any case they want that applies to federal law. And, I am pretty sure, they can connect the dots on most any case they want to in order to get there if they want to. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1267 "2024-03-09T06:20:18Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You keep saying this. And you keep not answering except to say that they’re going to act in a way they haven’t before and which no Supreme Court ever has before because Trump is their friend and they’ll do anything and everything for him, despite the fact that they’ve refused to hear him multiple times and ruled against him multiple other times. BTW, they only have full appellate jurisdiction over federal cases and this case is being tried under New York state law. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1268 "2024-03-09T06:22:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And you keep not answering except to say that they’re going to act in a way they haven’t before… > **[Supreme Court Procedures](https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/supreme-1)** > > Background Article III, Section 1 of the Constitution establishes the Supreme Court of the United States. Currently, there are nine Justices on the Court. Before taking office, each Justice must be appointed by the President and confirmed by the... > The Constitution states that the Supreme Court has both original and appellate jurisdiction. And we just saw the SCOTUS lean in on Trump’s side a couple weeks ago for no rational reason anyone can describe. Again, I am pretty sure SCOTUS can conjure a reason to hear a case if they want to. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1269 "2024-03-09T06:26:25Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And we just saw the SCOTUS lean in on Trump’s side a couple weeks ago for no rational reason anyone can describe. They ruled that Congress is the sole authority that can interpret the insurrection clause. There, I’ve just done what you say noone can do. And per your own cite; > [@](#): > > The Court usually is not under any obligation to hear these cases, and it usually only does so if the case could have national significance, might harmonize conflicting decisions in the federal Circuit courts, and/or could have precedential value. In fact, the Court accepts 100-150 of the more than 7,000 cases that it is asked to review each year. **Typically, the Court hears cases that have been decided in either an appropriate U.S. Court of Appeals or the highest Court in a given state (if the state court decided a Constitutional issue).** ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1270 "2024-03-09T06:27:50Z")
And they agreed to hear whether the president can be held responsible for actions in office when two courts before agreed he can be. They then delayed the hearing about as much as they can. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1271 "2024-03-09T06:28:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Typically… Explain Bush v. Gore. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1272 "2024-03-09T06:29:10Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They then delayed the hearing about as much as they can. If they were planning on declaring him above the law, why delay at all? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1273 "2024-03-09T06:30:15Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Explain Bush v. Gore. Asked and answered. > [@What reason is there to think Trump would be let out pending appeal?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-reason-is-there-to-think-trump-would-be-let-out-pending-appeal/998564/28): > > Whether a state could continue counting votes after the federally established deadline to certify electors (they could not) and whether missing that deadline would violate the Equal Protection Clause (it would have). > > The question the court was asked to answer was not “who gets to be president” and if they had ruled the other way Bush could have still ended up winning the election. The likely scenario if they had done so would have been the House electing Bush, since Florida wouldn’t have been able to finish the recount in time to certify it. > > But at least we would’ve gotten Vice President Lieberman out of it! What a joy a Bush/Lieberman admin would’ve been. 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1274 "2024-03-09T06:31:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If they were planning on declaring him above the law, why delay at all? Because they will not say that. They can’t possibly say that. If they do say that Biden can send a SEAL team in the next day to capture them and imprison them in Guantanamo Bay (or just kill them) with no repercussion. The delay is the point and they are playing along with Trump to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1275 "2024-03-09T06:37:35Z")
Then no case, even state level, means anything. Trump can just appeal all of them to the Supreme Court, they’ll take them all, and hear arguments in October. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1276 "2024-03-09T06:39:24Z")
Who could stop them if they wanted to do that? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1277 "2024-03-09T06:42:20Z")
Nobody. So I guess that means that any discussion of any Trump trial is pointless? ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1278 "2024-03-09T13:27:08Z")
Ok, so I am not clear on this one and the bond. Trump loses. Chubb loses all the bond. Do they expect Trump to pay all of this bond to them? Or they just keep the fees and take the hit? (Ignoring him winning election and shooting everyone involved). Trump wins. They get all the bond back and keep the fees? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1279 "2024-03-09T13:40:39Z")
So, regarding Chubb putting up the bond (I assume the Orange One had to chip in the usual 10% of that, or whatever the number is) it appears that E Jean Carroll has the right to object to the terms of the bond. This seems reasonable since she’s dealing with someone who traditionally never pays unless he has absolutely no choice. > **[Judge invites E. Jean Carroll to object to Trump's $92M bond payment plan](https://www.rawstory.com/e-jean-carroll-2667457751/)** > > Judge Lewis Kaplan has invited E. Jean Carroll to object to former President Donald Trump's plan to pay a $92 million bond in the defamation case against him through a third party, reported MSNBC's Katie Phang on Friday.This comes after the former... ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1280 "2024-03-09T13:40:43Z")
A surety bond company normally requires collateral that exceeds the value of the bond. If Trump loses the appeal, the bonding company now owns the collateral. Who knows what Chubb agreed to with Trump. There’s a story breaking today that they have financial links to Putin, but it’s behind a paywall, so i won’t link to it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=65)