# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1381 "2024-09-07T01:23:02Z")
Someday, somehow, he will have to pay. He can’t evade forever. I think him paying $83M to this woman that is below his “I’d rape her” standards will be a tough pill for him to swallow. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1382 "2024-09-07T02:31:26Z")
How long before the court rules on Trump’s appeal here? Given that there was only half an hour of arguments, I can’t imagine there are any complicated legal issues here. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1383 "2024-09-07T06:45:29Z")
That’s a good question Odesio. I’ve looked for the next date but not seen it yet. I was wondering where Trump got a stat for his little speech yesterday that only 4% of lower Manhattan are Republicans . That’s some imagination he’s got. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1384 "2024-09-07T11:48:50Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > I was wondering where Trump got a stat for his little speech That’s an exercise in futility. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1385 "2024-09-07T15:24:40Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > How long before the court rules on Trump’s appeal here? Given that there was only half an hour of arguments, I can’t imagine there are any complicated legal issues here That’s not unusual. Typically each side gets 10, 15, or 20 minutes to argue. A decision could be as fast as 3 weeks or as slow as 6 or 8 months. I’d guess 60 days. Or a little more to be past Election Day ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1386 "2024-09-07T15:37:56Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > I was wondering where Trump got a stat for his little speech yesterday that only 4% of lower Manhattan are Republicans You know how some people read tea leaves? He reads his diaper. ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1387 "2024-11-26T22:01:06Z")
I am struggling to find any updates on this trial. Has the appeal process just halted indefinitely? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1388 "2024-12-30T17:56:21Z")
no, no it has not. [Appeals court rejects Trump’s attempt to overturn E. Jean Carroll verdict](https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/appeals-court-rejects-trump-s-attempt-to-overturn-e-jean-carroll-verdict/ar-AA1wHYiE?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=5c75ce9a43b0441b8744ebd6e1ffbed2&ei=9) The panel ruled Monday that the judge’s decision to allow the jury to hear that evidence was proper and that “the district court did not abuse its discretion in making any of the challenged evidentiary rulings.” “The jury made its assessment of the facts and claims on a properly developed record,” the judges wrote in the ruling. of course this is first appeal for the 5 million. the 83.3 million is still to go. the 5 million should make its way to ms carroll with alacrity as the amount is being held in escrow. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1389 "2024-12-30T17:57:22Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the 5 million should make its way to ms carroll with alacrity as the amount is being held in escrow. I assume they’ll try a cert petition to the US Supreme Court. Odds are against it working, but the effort will delay things 6 to 9 months. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1390 "2024-12-30T17:58:36Z")
The appellate court, in Monday’s opinion, decided the tape was admissible “as evidence of a pattern” of alleged behavior by Trump. “The jury could have reasonably concluded from those statements that, in the past, Mr. Trump had kissed women without their consent and then proceeded to touch their genitalia,” the opinion said. i did find the above particularly interesting. at least for the full 5 million e jean carroll doesn’t have to go through what the women are going through with guiliani ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1391 "2024-12-31T08:19:29Z")
So does she now get the money, or does the can get kicked further down the road? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1392 "2025-01-01T02:12:22Z")
She now legally can get the money. It will be difficult to collect. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1393 "2025-01-01T02:14:28Z")
Unless Trump applies to the Supreme Court for cert., which could delay enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1394 "2025-01-01T02:16:17Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > at least for the full 5 million e jean carroll doesn’t have to go through what the women are going through with guiliani That’s not clear. Trump could oppose collection, as @DrDeth suggests. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1395 "2025-01-01T02:47:40Z")
Trump has also put it out there that he might throw her in jail. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1396 "2025-01-01T09:52:03Z")
For what exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1397 "2025-01-01T13:08:08Z")
Lèse-majesté. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1398 "2025-01-01T14:39:52Z")
Ah, you mean “ _Lèse-majesté_ (or _lese majesty_ , as it is also styled in English publications) came into English by way of Middle French, from the Latin _laesa majestas_ , which literally means “injured majesty.” The English term can conceivably cover any offense against a sovereign power or its ruler, from treason to a simple breach of etiquette, but _lèse-majesté_ has also acquired a more lighthearted or ironic meaning, referring to something that insults or shows disrespect, especially to a particularly pompous or self-important person or organization. As such, it may be applied to a relatively inoffensive act that has been exaggeratedly treated as if it were a great [affront](https://bit.ly/3z3RD15).” – Merriam-Webster ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1399 "2025-01-01T15:05:57Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > For what exactly? This NY Times (gift) article explains why. He re-truthed something that said “Should a woman go to jail for falsely accusing a man for rape” and it included a picture of Carroll. [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/30/nyregion/trump-carroll-appeal-denied.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.l04.9VMS.5mNHNRxGGT1S&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/30/nyregion/trump-carroll-appeal-denied.html?unlocked_article_code=1.l04.9VMS.5mNHNRxGGT1S&smid=url-share) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1400 "2025-01-01T15:27:03Z")
Lets hope he gets sued again for that, and this time it costs him a billion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=71)