# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1481 "2026-07-08T20:33:57Z")
I honestly have no idea, and it would be impossible to calculate that, IMHO. What will the SCOTUS do with Trump’s most recent delay tactic? When will they make that ruling? Will the ruling include a directive to the court to just get on with releasing the funds? If yes, will they give a deadline for that to happen? Who can know these things? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1482 "2026-07-08T20:35:53Z")
“She will soon” are your very words. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1483 "2026-07-08T20:37:55Z")
That was before I understood Trump had already indicated he intended to appeal again. My bad if you think I jumped the gun. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1484 "2026-07-08T20:42:14Z")
IANA SCOTUS expert, but one possible complication is that the Supreme Court has adjourned for the summer. OTOH, the Justices do have the “shadow docket,” which might be used, and which would let them quickly deny Trump’s appeal if it came before them, prior to the court reconvening in October. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1485 "2026-07-08T20:45:47Z")
My best guess is that the “Shadow Docket” won’t come into play. And as with Everything Trump, my best guess is not my fervent wish. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1486 "2026-07-08T20:53:52Z")
Understood. Unfortunately, when it comes to Trump a standard assumption that any court decision against him will be appealed and thus doesn’t automatically get a place in the “win” column is usually proper. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1487 "2026-07-08T21:04:11Z")
Oh, I agree. I was just happy to see the ruling of the judge in the gift link I offered above. _He’s_ certainly over it. But with this SCOTUS, what would have been an easy call in the past on what they would do… no longer is. I’m thoroughly disgusted by them. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1488 "2026-07-08T21:32:20Z")
There will be a final, definitive, this-is-the-end-for-real-lol, pay her already ruling issued some time after E. Jean Carroll’s passing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1489 "2026-07-08T21:52:48Z")
I don’t understand what the delay is. His last appeal was to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court denied the appeal. Isn’t that it? If a litigant can just appeal to the Supreme Court repeatedly, then nothing could ever be decided. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1490 "2026-07-08T21:58:09Z")
AIUI, there is a mechanism for Trump to appeal SCOTUS’s refusal to consider his original appeal to the Court, but it’s something which rarely results in a change in ruling. But, leave it to Trump to try anyway, so that he can delay the apparently inevitable, and delay Carroll being paid. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1491 "2026-07-08T21:59:52Z")
This administration is a case study of the vast difference between “What Should Be” and “What Is”. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1492 "2026-07-08T22:18:53Z")
I think they should tell Trump she gets the money now, and if he wins a new appeal, he can try to claw that money back. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2026, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1493 "2026-07-09T22:48:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > if he wins a new appeal, he can try to claw that money back. That’s exactly what happened. MeidasTouch [https://youtu.be/sqeiODM86Qk?t=155](https://youtu.be/sqeiODM86Qk?t=155) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2026, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1494 "2026-07-09T23:47:30Z")
Here it is in written form if you don’t want to watch a video. [_Politico:_ Courts reject Trump’s Hail Mary bids to avoid paying E. Jean Carroll](https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/09/donald-trump-e-jean-carroll-5-million-00992363) > After three years, three levels of the federal courts system and countless legal filings, Donald Trump must pay E. Jean Carroll. > > On Wednesday evening, a judge on the New York-based 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals denied Trump’s effort to pause an order issued earlier in the day by a district judge to send the money — $5 million plus interest — to Carroll. And as noted in the article, it’s already out of his hands anyway. > Technically, Trump has already given up the money — he was required to put it into a court-maintained account during the appeals process. Now it must be turned over to Carroll. A specific payment schedule is not known. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2026, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1495 "2026-07-10T00:23:25Z")
The best part was where Trump filed for “Unrecoverable Loss” because Carroll might spend all HIS money before he can get it back. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2026, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1496 "2026-07-10T02:16:25Z")
The Court seems to have ruled in a rather unambiguous fashion so I still don’t understand - has the money been paid out yet to Carroll? And if not, why? And when WILL it be paid? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2026, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1497 "2026-07-10T02:22:01Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > The Court seems to have ruled in a rather unambiguous fashion so I still don’t understand - has the money been paid out yet to Carroll? Read two posts up. > [@Atamasama](#): > > > Technically, Trump has already given up the money — he was required to put it into a court-maintained account during the appeals process. Now it must be turned over to Carroll. A specific payment schedule is not known. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2026, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1498 "2026-07-10T02:26:37Z")
Thanks for the response but I understand it is being held in an account maintained by the court. What I don’t understand is the court has clearly said she should be paid the money **immediately.** At least that’s what I’ve taken from different reports. You linked to a report that said > [@Atamasama](#): > > a judge on the New York-based 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals denied Trump’s effort to pause an order issued earlier in the day by a district judge to send the money — $5 million plus interest — to Carroll. So why doesn’t she have the money today, Thursday? (I seriously don’t understand the continued delay in carrying out the order of the judge.) ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2026, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1499 "2026-07-10T02:32:16Z")
I have no idea, but perhaps the delay lies in arranging the transfer of such a huge sum of funds safely. I doubt very much that the court will cut a physical cheque in that amount and hand it to her. The court might be asking, then waiting for her to tell them her bank, routing numbers, etc. Although it might be fun for the court to present her with one of those oversized ceremonial cheques that lottery winners and charities get, and invite the media. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2026, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1500 "2026-07-10T02:40:34Z")
Fair enough. But, in the link a few posts back to the video from Meidas Touch I thought there was an interview with Carroll and her attorney talking about how there is already a fund or organization set up to use the money to benefit other women victims of sexual abuse. So doing an electronic transfer shouldn’t be that difficult. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=76)