# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2026, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1541 "2026-07-12T21:51:42Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Those companies are the ones that paid into the accounts, not the ones controlling them. They cannot delay the payout in any direct fashion, only through appeal to the court Perhaps they are so appealing. The actual holder of the funds: The Court Registry Investment System. Some accounts say the CRIS is “managed by the federal government” which would certainly explain why it’s failing to disburse the funds. Other descriptions state that the specific court handling the case has the power to disburse “when the judge issues a final order.” My understanding was that a “final order” _ **had** _ been issued by that court. So outside of Trump’s lawyers making the clearly-false claim that SCOTUS is still going to be ruling on this matter at some future point, it’s tough to see a legitimate reason for the funds to be sitting in the escrow account. ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1542 "2026-07-13T11:45:24Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Stormy Daniels 😉 Who then got sued by Donald and had to spend a fortune defending herself from him. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1543 "2026-07-13T18:54:05Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > > [@Superdude](#): > > > > Anyway, they seemed to think _that_ was the source of the delay: that Trump requested a delay while he waits for SCOTUS to reconsider hearing his appeal. > > So the next time they say no will he get another delay while he asks again? It seems like he can keep this up forever. Heres what Google tells me: > [@](#): > > You can technically only ask the **U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS)** to reexamine a ruling **one time** per decision. Under **[Supreme Court Rule 44](https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/supct/rule_44)**, a party may file a single **Petition for Rehearing** within **25 days** of the Court’s initial judgment or denial of certiorari. Consecutive or successive petitions for rehearing on the same ruling are strictly prohibited by the Court’s internal practices to ensure finality It further goes on to say: > [@](#): > > **Strict Grounds Required** : You cannot simply re-argue the case because you disagree with the outcome. For a rehearing of a final decision, the petition must be limited to **intervening circumstances of a substantial or controlling effect** , or other major grounds not previously presented. > > **Good Faith Certification** : The attorney submitting the petition must formally certify that it is presented in **good faith** and not intended to cause delay > [@](#): > > While any losing party has the right to file this single petition, the Supreme Court **almost never grants them**. It requires the support of a majority of the Justices (and specifically requires the vote of at least one Justice who originally concurred in the ruling). Out of dozens of rehearing petitions filed each term, the vast majority are denied in quick, unsigned orders without any explanation (all hyperlinks and emphasis theirs, not mine) Edit: There’s one case that I’m aware of where they’ve heard the appeal and changed their mind: [Reid vs. Covert](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Covert?wprov=sfti1), in which the wife of a service member was court martialed for killing her spouse. She was sentenced to life imprisonment. However, her attorney appealed, saying that a civilian non-service member couldn’t be held to the military’s rules, as she wasn’t a member of the military herself. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1544 "2026-07-13T18:54:58Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Heres what Google tells me: Do you mean Google’s AI? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1545 "2026-07-13T19:00:46Z")
A distinction without a difference in this instance, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1546 "2026-07-13T19:31:07Z")
Absolutely not. When I look something up in Google, it’s to find a reputable source that has the information I need. I don’t rely on AI to do all the research for me, using who knows what as a source. When people say they used Google, that’s typically what they mean. They used it to search. You asked AI. So, maybe that’s accurate, maybe not. Google AI is not itself a reliable source. At best it can lead you to one. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1547 "2026-07-13T19:36:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Google AI is not itself a reliable source. At best it can lead you to one. In this case, the cite to Supreme Court Rule 44 is the reliable source. And is consistent with the AI answer. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1548 "2026-07-13T19:37:40Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > In this case, the cite to Supreme Court Rule 44 is the reliable source. Which is a good cite. I link to the Cornell Law School often when trying to find answers for legal stuff (though unlike you, I’m not a pro). ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1549 "2026-07-13T19:38:19Z")
Considering that it led me to the Wiki for Reid v Covert, which specifically states that that’s the only time that SCOTUS has heard such an appeal and changed its mind, I think your criticism is a little unfounded here. Nitpick me all you want, but I’d suggest going to the Pit about if you do. Nothing I cited is inaccurate, so maybe get that stick out of your ass about it. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1550 "2026-07-13T20:02:00Z")
Moderating: > [@Superdude](#): > > Nothing I cited is inaccurate, **so maybe get that stick out of your ass about it**. (Emphasis mine.) This is a personal attack. You’ve had a warning for doing this before. You need to dial it way back to avoid getting another. You’re not in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1551 "2026-07-13T20:58:47Z")
Well, taking @Superdude’s cite at face value, I think that is great news. There is other news today about courts not having it with Trump’s vexatious litigation: > **[Judge rebukes Trump and DOJ over IRS lawsuit, refers lawyer for disciplinary...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/judge-rebukes-trump-doj-over-170407213.html)** > > U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams said President Trump's lawsuit against the IRS had been filed for an "improper purpose." I just hope that Trump asking again doesn’t cause additional delays in Carroll getting paid. But looking at the Cornell law page on rule 44, I don’t see anything there saying the Supreme Court has to actually respond in any kind of time frame. So theoretically they can just sit on it forever unless there is some other rule that says a timeout equals a decision one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2026, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1552 "2026-07-13T21:03:18Z")
So, has she been paid? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1553 "2026-07-14T15:20:29Z")
She’s got the money. > **[E. Jean Carroll finally gets Trump’s $5 million — plus interest](https://www.ms.now/news/e-jean-carroll-finally-gets-trumps-5-million-plus-interest)** > > Despite the president’s repeated attempts to block Carroll from receiving the money, $5,625,005.48 was disbursed to Carroll’s legal team this week. From the article: > Writer E. Jean Carroll finally has the $5 million — plus interest — that a jury ordered President Donald Trump to pay her in damages in one of her two cases against him, after Trump fought the payout for years. > > Court records posted Tuesday show a transfer of $5,625,005.48 to Carroll’s legal team took place the day before. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1554 "2026-07-14T15:38:53Z")
Or at least her lawyers have the money. And Trump doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1555 "2026-07-14T15:52:04Z")
To my way of thinking, it’s the same thing. It’s a common way for a court to handle the transfer of lodged funds, from their escrow account into the attorneys’ trust account, to disburse to the client. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1556 "2026-07-14T15:57:44Z")
Minus fees owed, yes. But my understanding is that EJC was doing it less for the money and more for vindication and punishment. Which has been achieved in part thus far. I’m sure she’s thrilled at Donald is gnashing his teeth about this. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1557 "2026-07-14T15:59:32Z")
You and me, both. I also think this series of outcomes bodes well for the much larger verdict currently wending its way through the court process. I believe E. Jean Carroll intends to donate all the funds to help rape victims. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1558 "2026-07-14T17:25:29Z")
It is almost over. From the NBC article: “Carroll plans to use the money from this Judgment to fund her retirement, and will place the award in an interest-bearing account” at least until Trump’s bid to get the Supreme Court to reconsider hearing his appeal is resolved, the filing said." ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1559 "2026-07-14T17:33:38Z")
The lawyers probably well earned their contingency fee in this case. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2026, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/1560 "2026-07-14T17:47:16Z")
I wonder how long it will be before Trump has something shitty to say about her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820.md?page=79)