# Civil Trial: Trump v E. Jean Carroll (Carroll wins, awarded $5 million, plus 83.3 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 17, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820 "2023-04-17T21:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 518
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820/518 "2024-01-18T23:47:09Z")
If you think about it, a lawyer is often the literal mouthpeice of the person who hired them. There’s a reason that nickname is part of US mob slang. She is putting on _exactly_ the act trump wants. This is not a trial in their minds. This is an opportunity to manufacture a record of them being treated badly, with all the “deservedly” parts edited out. The goal is not to win the case, or to please the judge or jury or create a record for appeal, or anything else conventional. The _only_ goal here, pure and simple, is to create a propaganda story of persecution by a biased federal judiciary. Which will be a \*casus belli cited next Jan to force-retire every federal judge except the a few trumpy ones and immediately replace them with unqualified MAGA toadies. That’s literally about step 4 on their first day of dictatorship checklist. Now whether Habba is really deep down as unhinged as trump or pillow guy or is merely playing one in court and on TV is an interesting question. But is ultimately an irrelevant question. My bottom line: Anyone here who is watching what she’s doing and using the conventional rules and scoring appropriate to a standard federal trial is about like somebody trying to keep score of a bowling tournament using the rules and scoresheets for Major League Baseball. They (trump & Habba) are not incompetent; the scorekeeper is mistakenly scoring the wrong game. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-trial-trump-v-e-jean-carroll-carroll-wins-awarded-5-million-plus-83-3-million/982820)._