# Civil War and Batman vs Superman: please help me to get excited about these movies **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 16, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158 "2016-03-16T14:05:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/101 "2016-03-24T14:28:26Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > but it also seems like Superman is the one who’s getting all up in Batman’s business, rather than vice versa.\* I think its a bit of both - but until we see the actual film, its going to be hard to say who ‘starts it’ - I’ve heard (maybe in this thread) that its egged on by a third party - which wouldn’t surprise me in the least - but is also not nearly as interesting as a legit action by both parties (different sides of same coin, etc) - THis is why I hold out higher hope for CA : CW - the trailers are raising lots of questions - and we don’t have the full story - but atleast there appears to be legit differences of opinion thats organic to the charactors. Supes vs Bats simply seems like a wrestling event - we all know its scripted and can truly only end one way, but we kinda want to see the body slams anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/102 "2016-03-24T14:30:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If nothing else, Iron Man 3 gave us an entire secret society of metahumans, with their powers granted through technological experimentation. Maybe there are still a few Extremis left, and maybe some decide to use their powers for good. Maybe some of them have figured out how to control the process better. And maybe, if someone figured out how to mass-produce Extremis supers, maybe someone else figured out a different way to mass-produce some other sort of super. And even if nobody’s done it yet, somebody could do it tomorrow, and then what? I’m somewhat optimistic about _Civil War_ because a single movie is a lot more likely to be coherent about the issues being addressed than the comic storyline was – the comics writers seem to have never even compared notes on exactly what the government’s new rules actually _were_, leading to scattershot depictions running the gamut from “reasonable attempt to solve a genuine problem” to “jackbooted fascist tyranny”. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/103 "2016-03-24T21:05:05Z")
Ars Technica unfavorably reviews Batman v Superman (minor spoilers) [QUOTE=AT] The Showgirls of superhero films [/QUOTE] > **[Batman v Superman: The Showgirls of superhero films](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/batman-v-superman-the-showgirls-of-superhero-films/)** > > Dreadful acting and incoherent plotting fill the year's biggest Batmobile wreck. Brian ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/104 "2016-03-24T21:09:00Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Ars Technica unfavorably reviews Batman v Superman (minor spoilers) > > [Batman v Superman: The Showgirls of superhero films | Ars Technica](http://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2016/03/batman-v-superman-the-showgirls-of-superhero-films/) You didnt say “that word” on this Message board!?!:eek::eek::eek: showgirls ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/105 "2016-03-24T22:06:29Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > The parallels between Greek mythology and comic book universes are really quite striking. Same sorts of themes, same shared universe with multiple creators, same retcons, same arguments over who’s cooler than who. And there’s stuff like in the Iliad Artemis goes down to the battle and gets her ass kicked by Diomedes, and it’s basically Doctor Doom getting his ass kicked by Squirrel Girl. And sometimes the exact same people too. Marvel’s got all of the popular “gods” as alien characters already. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > [SALON.COM](http://SALON.COM): “In _Batman v Superman_, the only winner is Marvel.” Burn! > [@Gretchion](#): > > I saw some critic tweeted this: “Post-Spectre I rewatched Licence To Kill to remind myself how much better Bond could be. Post-Batman v Superman, I’m watching Batman & Robin.” Fucking BUUUURN! > [@WordMan](#): > > Nice. Yeah, this movie is getting savaged online. > > The most glaring comments, well, besides how confusing the plot apparently is, is a lack of humor. > > Betting on Zack Snyder vs. a combination of Jon Favreau and Joss Whedon for the initial Marvel “statement movies” that established the full MCU says so much. > > Use of humor both to shape the tone and keep the workings of the plot moving, but also to give the characters more relate-ability. Seems so obvious, but dialing in the right amount of humor is critical. It looks likes the possible [reports](http://comicsalliance.com/warner-bros-no-jokes-dc-comics-movies-superman-justice-league/) that Warner Bros. cracked down on comedy post-Green Lantern were true. Which is sad because jokes were not the reason Green Lantern failed, it was just a bad movie. I’m still going to see this movie, I don’t care about the reviews. Curiosity and looky-loos will blow this past $400 million, but that might not be enough to sustain the coming franchises. Luckily, one rumored reason why Ben Affleck was cast is so he can bring his Argo writers in and take over if Zach Snyder fails to deliver. If early indications are correct, the next movies won’t be done by Snyder. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/106 "2016-03-24T22:33:35Z")
[QUOTE=YogSothoth;19206773 It looks likes the possible [reports] ([Warner Bros. Reportedly Mandates 'No Jokes' For DC Films](http://comicsalliance.com/warner-bros-no-jokes-dc-comics-movies-superman-justice-league/)) that Warner Bros. cracked down on comedy post-Green Lantern were true. Which is sad because jokes were not the reason Green Lantern failed, it was just a bad movie. . [/QUOTE] There were jokes and comedy in Green Lantern? 😕:eek: 😛 Yes, it was\* just bad. \* ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/107 "2016-03-24T22:47:01Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > The parallels between Greek mythology and comic book universes are really quite striking. Same sorts of themes, same shared universe with multiple creators, same retcons, same arguments over who’s cooler than who. And there’s stuff like in the Iliad Artemis goes down to the battle and gets her ass kicked by Diomedes, and it’s basically Doctor Doom getting his ass kicked by Squirrel Girl. They had lengthy arming scenes, too. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/108 "2016-03-24T22:57:04Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > It looks likes the possible [reports](http://comicsalliance.com/warner-bros-no-jokes-dc-comics-movies-superman-justice-league/) that Warner Bros. cracked down on comedy post-Green Lantern were true. Which is sad because jokes were not the reason Green Lantern failed, it was just a bad movie. > > I’m still going to see this movie, I don’t care about the reviews. Curiosity and looky-loos will blow this past $400 million, but that might not be enough to sustain the coming franchises. Luckily, one rumored reason why Ben Affleck was cast is so he can bring his Argo writers in and take over if Zach Snyder fails to deliver. If early indications are correct, the next movies won’t be done by Snyder. I think it’s possible that it could be a good movie, if people wanted a dramatic, philosophical movie of the sort that’s trying out for an Oscar rather than a fun, comedic romp with silly characters. The negative reviews seem mostly to complain that the movie is grim. 12 Years a Slave was also grim, but that doesn’t make it a bad movie. It just makes it not be a lighthearted popcorn film. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/109 "2016-03-24T23:23:21Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I think it’s possible that it could be a good movie, if people wanted a dramatic, philosophical movie of the sort that’s trying out for an Oscar rather than a fun, comedic romp with silly characters. > > The negative reviews seem mostly to complain that the movie is grim. 12 Years a Slave was also grim, but that doesn’t make it a bad movie. It just makes it not be a lighthearted popcorn film. Just because it’s a bad popcorn movie doesn’t make it a good philosophical movie. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/110 "2016-03-24T23:30:06Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Just because it’s a bad popcorn movie doesn’t make it a good philosophical movie. The reviews on the IMDB are all exceeding positive. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/111 "2016-03-24T23:37:24Z")
> [@vox.com](#): > > [a stink bucket of disappointment](http://www.vox.com/2016/3/23/11291550/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-review) > [@YogSothoth](#): > > It looks likes the possible [reports](http://comicsalliance.com/warner-bros-no-jokes-dc-comics-movies-superman-justice-league/) that Warner Bros. cracked down on comedy post-Green Lantern were true. Which is sad because jokes were not the reason Green Lantern failed, it was just a bad movie. The thing is, 3 of their TV shows all have senses of humor and are obviously better for having them. You’d think they’d notice. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/112 "2016-03-24T23:41:33Z")
All the reviews I’ve seen of BvS say it’s a steaming load. They only differ on the weight of the load and the stench of the steam. ---
**Author:** ![lesh17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc348/32.png) [@lesh17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lesh17)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/113 "2016-03-24T23:49:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > The reviews on the IMDB are all exceeding positive. There seem to, per this thread, be a lot of brand new IMBD accounts giving it 10/10 ratings (with no other reviews given). I have no idea if this is typical practice, but it suggests there is some potential artificial inflation of the user rating going on. [https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4bq3y1/fake\_or\_purchased\_imdb\_accounts\_are\_rating\_batman/](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4bq3y1/fake_or_purchased_imdb_accounts_are_rating_batman/) ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/114 "2016-03-25T00:09:17Z")
If you ignore the under-18 demographic, you end up with these results on IMDb: Males 18-29: 8.0 Males 30-44: 7.2 Males 45+: 6.7 Females 18-29: 7.4 Females 30-44: 6.1 Females 45+: 6.4 Not so great, really. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/115 "2016-03-25T00:17:17Z")
I have no interest in seeing Batman fight Superman … Again. And I’m a huge Batman fan and I like Ben Affleck too. The only thing I’m looking forward to in this movie is Wonder Woman. I’m hoping they make her appearance interesting. (I just got into the New 52 WW and I’m loving it.) Because I’m expecting the rest of the movie to be tedious as Farg. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/116 "2016-03-25T00:41:54Z")
> [@lesh17](#): > > There seem to, per this thread, be a lot of brand new IMBD accounts giving it 10/10 ratings (with no other reviews given). I have no idea if this is typical practice, but it suggests there is some potential artificial inflation of the user rating going on. > > [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4bq3y1/fake_or_purchased_imdb_accounts_are_rating_batman/) I meant the user reviews, not the rating. They seem rather lengthy to be shills. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/117 "2016-03-25T01:02:54Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I admit, I never finished Jessica Jones. I may pick it up at sometime but there was way too much sex in it and I really got tired of it. I don’t like sex mucking up my movies too much. Jessica Jones the TV show got me back into comics. I loved it. There isn’t actually a lot of sex in the entire series taken together. But thematically, the overarching theme of the whole story is rape in various forms. If that troubles you, you won’t like it. Spoilers ahead for some plot points in the Jessica Jones TV show. If you’re not planning on watching it, it probably doesn’t matter if you get spoiled. I found it a fantastic portrayal. A really serious story. Very well done and well acted. [spoiler]David Tennant was incredible as the Purple Man. Again better than in the comic. I also liked how the show didn’t cheat like the book and specify that Jones wasn’t “really” raped. That was a real weakness [/spoiler] And I preferred the tv series to the comic book for several reasons but for one because it was far more removed from the rest of the Marvel characters. As time goes on I get less and less comfortable with the idea of costumed vigilantes. I just can’t ignore the implications of that. And the idea of super soldiers is also disturbing to me. So I like it when it’s brought down to a more human level and Jessica Jones does that well. She has enhanced abilities but she’s not a vigilante, not anymore. And it explores some of the real consequences of that stuff. And … Heck … I like sex in stories of any kind. > [@Chronos](#): > > I don’t think Batman even has a notion of such a thing as “cheating”. In his world, there is winning, and there is losing, and the former is what he does. Hell, he wiped the entire JLA’s memories once. > [@Raguleader](#): > > I rather liked Watchmen, though I don’t know how many other DC superhero films there have been in the last 10 years or so. Watchmen is one of my most favorite books ever. The Watchmen movie captured the look but had no life to it. It was disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![lesh17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc348/32.png) [@lesh17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lesh17)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/118 "2016-03-25T01:34:02Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I meant the user reviews, not the rating. They seem rather lengthy to be shills. Thanks for the correction; I see what you mean now. Even there, it looks like the more recent reviews are a much more mixed bag vs. the more positive early ones; here’s the chronologically-sorted index: [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/reviews-index?filter=chrono;filter=chrono](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/reviews-index?filter=chrono;filter=chrono); ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/119 "2016-03-25T01:46:46Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I almost don’t like _any_, especially when the relationship is totally not established. But Jones isn’t capable of a healthy sexual relationship. She’s traumatized. She uses casual sex paradoxically as both an emotional barrier and as a way to break through her numbness. And a lot of people do that. And really I’m not interested in seeing healthy, normal sexual relationships in the same way that I’m not really all that interested in seeing healthy, normal relationships of any kind. The conflict, the problems, the things that have to worked through, those are what make it a story. And I would argue that the traditional romantic comedy plot line of “boy-meets-girl, girl-hates-guy, guy-pursues-girl-until-she-gives-in” is a far, far worse and societally damaging lesson than showing people making sexual mistakes and finding a way to get over it and maybe making better decisions next time. The first thing is something that isn’t realistic and isn’t a good lesson. The second is “yeah life is sometimes shitty like this, but let’s see where it can take you.” And I like portrayals that show how often it much if he time life is really fucked yo and people make bad decisions, but maybe in the long run that’s okay. And back to the comics, one thing I really liked was How Jessica fell out with Luke, started dating someone else and then found out she was pregnant with Luke’s baby. … Or maybe she kind of already knew when she started dating the other guy that she was pregnant I hope they keep that in the series at some point. It’s all kinds of fucked up, but it turns out okay. That’s what life is often like. And one thing I really like about the way Jessica’s sexuality is portrayed is that she is allowed to have sex for all kinds of reasons, good and bad, and it’s not something she is punished for by the story it by society. She can have sex for pure pleasure, she can have self-destructive sex, she can have healthy relationship sex, she can have casual meaningless sex, she can have multiple partners, she can have multiple relationships, but it’s all her decision, her life, and her choices and she isn’t shamed for it. She can make decisions, make mistakes, have fun and it’s all within her power. If I had a daughter, that’s the kind of freedom I would want her to have. Yeah, you can make mistakes, yeah you can just be selfish and enjoy yourself. So long as it’s not forced on you, it’s okay. > [@](#): > > Eventually. I would have been OK if the sex had come at the end of the series run. Jessica is broken. Sex and whiskey play very similar roles in her life. That’s her story. A Jessica with a healthy sex life, that would come at the end, when there’s no more story to tell. It’s funny, because I mentioned before that the comic cheated in a big way in the backstory of what happened to Jessica and the TV show had more courage in that respect, but in a big way, Jessica’s first sexual encounter with Luke in the TV show was way more tame than in the comic book. > [@](#): > > I know, I know, everybody likes sex. But I feel like people just jump into bed too fast in these movies/shows. 😃 we’re just not going to see eye-to-eye on this. > [@gytalf2000](#): > > With Lynda Carter reprising her role as Wonder Woman – yeah, I would go for that! I’ve been in love with Lynda Carter since I was 8. > [@Anaamika](#): > > Why is Iron Fist being played by a white guy? Whiter than white, in fact. Won’t be watching that, that’s for sure. Did you read Ms. Marvel? I just picked it up for my niece. It’s really good. Asian-American characters and nonsexual. Should fit the bill! > [@Anaamika](#): > > I would argue that Superman doesn’t always do the right thing, however - he gets blinded by love just as much as anyone. Which movie was it that he saved Lois and didn’t save any of the other people who had died? Superman II? That was the _first_ one and the most popular one but I can’t stand it for that very reason! I was like 10 but as soon as it happened I thought “Hey, what happened to the people he save the first time? Did he just let them die now?” They never explained it! Actually that was my second thought. My first was “Wait, Superman can turn back time by making the earth spin backwards? That’s stupid” > [@](#): > > Anyway, I honestly just don’t know if you can sell Superman right now. I’m not sure how to make him better but it’s hard to look at a “perfect” being and enjoy watching him, at all. I know they tried to put flaws in him, a creature that always does the right thing is extremely boring, but the flaw is love, and that’s a little corny. And that’s coming from a person who usually loves corny! 🙂 I just read a column that said that the most relatable Superman is goofy Clark Kent. He’s right. The only Superman I really liked was “Lois and Clark” and it was because of that … And because he called his parents in every show. Clark Kent and his mom and dad. That was a good show … … Until Lois and Clark got married, then it got boring. (And for some reason they made sure we knew that Lois and Clark were both virgins when they got married. Like WTF? Who cares? And, what, Lois was engaged to Lex and never slept with him? She’s lying.) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158/120 "2016-03-25T02:12:28Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > B > That was the _first_ one and the most popular one but I can’t stand it for that very reason! > > I was like 10 but as soon as it happened I thought “Hey, what happened to the people he save the first time? Did he just let them die now?” They never explained it! > > Actually that was my second thought. My first was “Wait, Superman can turn back time by making the earth spin backwards? That’s stupid” Ok, here’s what happened, and it’s not clear in the film- Supes saved the east Coast, then \*went back in time \*to also save Lois and the West Coast. The Earth spinning backwards was supposed to show time going backwards. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-war-and-batman-vs-superman-please-help-me-to-get-excited-about-these-movies/749158.md?page=7)