I’m in for the evidence that there are some ‘easy’ and ‘non-intrusive’ “safety measures” that could prevent all / most / many deaths. Which recent Congressional bill would have had a substantial impact on the number of dead children? How many lives do you estimate H.R. ??? would have saved (and how did you arrive at that estimate?)?
Kind of hard to do an estimate on a bunch of bills that have no chance of passing, isn’t it?
Or the terror list ban will go to the Supreme Court and be ruled a violation of due process.
What does the likelihood of passage have to do with estimating their effect if they were to become law?
France went from absolute monarch Louis XVI to absolute monarch Napoleon I in fifteen years, with a reign of terror and assorted anarchy in between. Which part are you calling “successful state”?
Napoleonic France wasn’t paradise, but it was a million years ahead of and better than the Ancien Régime (Arno Mayer notwithstanding)
Why do people in this thread keep attacking fringe groups and using that as proof of the second amendment is flawed? All that is is proof that the government is not tyrannical. If voting rights were rescinded, minorities coming under serious prosecution, etc, there would be large, serious groups formed.
Please define successful state first.
No, I understand what a strawman is just fine. If you think your reply wasn’t a strawman, I’d suggest that perhaps it’s you who doesn’t understand the concept. I also understood what you wrote, but your post did nothing to provide evidence that you understood mine.
Sure, if you prefer the classics…
Don’t be silly. If you have access to one of the following: internet, tv, radio, or newspaper you can verify for yourself that left wing political violence is very real.
Please define political violence.
Anything done by people octopus doesn’t like. If it’s done by his side, it’s called “lawful protest,” or “Non-representative samples of the Right acting excessively.” Or what most people would call “lynching.”
Today’s standard for what? Genocide?
Violence for a political purpose. Such as the hooligans and thugs attacking Trump supporters. Or trying to shoot The Donald. US election: Arrested Briton 'wanted to shoot Donald Trump' - BBC News Is the BBC an acceptable source?
Nice make believe. Quote me supporting any right wing political violence please. If you can’t, don’t misleading attribute statements to me.
Umm, ya, unarmed prep tries to take away a police officers gun in order to try assassinate The Donald. Either the perp is a couple beers short of a six pack, or it’s some kind of Kabuki Theater. A “real” assassination attempt, by definition, would not entail trying to take away a law officer’s firearm at a public event and then try to shoot the target. Dude probably doesn’t even know how to use a firearm, although I will admit that is conjecture on my part. He certainly isn’t a ex member of SAS pulling a total asymmetrical warfare move.
Given the response by the people with the guns to Donald Trump, I have to question the bolded.
Srsly? This is what you’ve brought to the table?
- He’s not a Democrat; he’s not even an American citizen for fuck’s sake.
- There’s nothing in your cite to indicate this was politically motivated in any way; again: the perp isn’t even an American citizen.
- No one tried to shoot Mr. Trump. The guy who says he wanted to never even had a gun.
- You are the best refutation of your own positions of anyone posting in this thread.
You can read right? Where did I write he was a Dem? And where is it written you have to be an American citizen to be politically motivated? Politics is a uniquely American thing?
And don’t pretend that if this was an attempt, however amateur, to attack Mrs. Clinton the left would be howling in outrage about the dangers of the right and the toxicity of talk radio and a trillion other things. Hypocrites.
Real examples might have served you better, but imaginary situations only produce imaginary hypocrites.
What fundamental safety measures are you talking about?
Which of those non-intrusive measures would have prevented the deaths you are talking about?