# Civilians pretending they're guarding recruiters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2015, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929 "2015-07-23T04:55:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/261 "2015-08-27T15:55:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Oh, and again:Do you have the **Combat Action Ribbon**? I believe this is not an “I was there where they could shoot at me” ribbon, but a “Holy Shit, they ARE shooting at me” ribbon. You would not get this just for being in a combat zone, which is what **Monty** is saying about his service, so not particularly relevant. (Bookkeeper - whose service was in the Canadian Reserves, not the US Navy, and may not know what the hell he is talking about.) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/262 "2015-09-25T07:20:43Z")
Well, bad news for anyone who had 24 September 2015 or earlier in the “DrDeth apologizes for lying pool”. Better luck next time! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/263 "2015-09-25T17:44:10Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, bad news for anyone who had 24 September 2015 or earlier in the “DrDeth apologizes for lying pool”. Better luck next time! So, let us say we ignore \*your \*many mis-truths, Exactly which statement of mine was a “lie”?:rolleyes::dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/264 "2015-09-25T21:26:38Z")
The very last post of yours in this thread is a good contender for inclusion. I have not posted a “mis-truth”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/265 "2015-09-25T21:28:31Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The very last post of yours in this thread is a good contender for inclusion. I have not posted a “mis-truth”. You got nuthin, then. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/266 "2015-09-25T21:30:45Z")
I’ve already pointed out your lies in this thread. Do yourself a favor and read the thread again, this time paying attention to what’s actually written. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/267 "2015-09-25T21:36:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’ve already pointed out your lies in this thread. Do yourself a favor and read the thread again, this time paying attention to what’s actually written. You can’t even _find and link_? :dubious: Must have been really important to you then.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/268 "2015-09-25T23:46:11Z")
Put me down on the record as thinking this is not a good idea. I don’t even see it as a gun issue. Smacks of a lynch-mob mentality. A bunch of yokels showing the army or local cops how the job is _really_ done might make an entertaining movie, but this just seems silly to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/269 "2015-09-26T02:47:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, bad news for anyone who had 24 September 2015 or earlier in the “DrDeth apologizes for lying pool”. Better luck next time! Whatever high ground you had was lost when you dredged this up a month after it had gone to that place old threads go. This thread was dead and nearly buried, but you couldn’t just let it go, could you? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/270 "2015-09-26T05:23:44Z")
He’s channeling Cole Oyl. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/271 "2015-09-26T07:39:30Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Put me down on the record as thinking this is not a good idea. I don’t even see it as a gun issue. Smacks of a lynch-mob mentality. > > A bunch of yokels showing the army or local cops how the job is _really_ done might make an entertaining movie, but this just seems silly to say the least. Agreed. The aggravating thing is that that exact point had been made quite thoroughly and adequately a frickin’ MONTH ago. I thought this latest resurrection of the thread was going to be relevant to that. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/272 "2015-09-26T07:40:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He’s channeling Cole Oyl. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/273 "2015-09-26T16:43:27Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Agreed. The aggravating thing is that that exact point had been made quite thoroughly and adequately a frickin’ MONTH ago. I thought this latest resurrection of the thread was going to be relevant to that. :smack: And, even I didnt really support them. I said they were 'well meaning but deluded" . I agree what they are/were doing is mostly useless and possibly dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/274 "2015-10-27T00:28:56Z")
In related news, [the State of Illinois is considering making attacks on uniformed personnel and veterans a hate crime](http://www.putnamcountyrecord.com/2015/10/15/mautino-works-to-crack-down-on-violence-against-service-members/arptlif/). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/275 "2015-10-27T04:07:40Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > In related news, [the State of Illinois is considering making attacks on uniformed personnel and veterans a hate crime](http://www.putnamcountyrecord.com/2015/10/15/mautino-works-to-crack-down-on-violence-against-service-members/arptlif/). Calling it a hate crime seems a bit of a stretch, but I could see it being “Staging an Insurrection in the Fourth Degree” or something. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/276 "2016-11-27T10:31:51Z")
The [latest bad idea](http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/21/dod-releases-plan-allow-personnel-carry-firearms-base.html?ESRC=dod_161123.nl) was recently announced. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/277 "2016-11-27T11:21:10Z")
I have to ask, looking in from the outside - why does it seem that the only Americans not allowed to carry firearms are members of the U.S. military? I mean, if you can’t trust your own troops with guns, maybe you should work a bit more on their training and discipline. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2016, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/278 "2016-11-27T11:51:32Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I have to ask, looking in from the outside - why does it seem that the only Americans not allowed to carry firearms are members of the U.S. military? I mean, if you can’t trust your own troops with guns, maybe you should work a bit more on their training and discipline. Where did you get the idea that service members are not allowed to carry weapons? Until the latest policy announcement, they were not allowed to carry privately owned weapons on base or on duty. While performing duties which require firearms, of course they were permitted to carry sevice-issued weapons. Off base, provided they comply with local laws, they, just like civilians, can carry weapons. It’s not a matter of trust, training, or discipline; rather, it’s one of need, not to mention liability. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/279 "2016-11-27T12:11:53Z")
Two questions - 1. Who protects the base in the U.S. military? Do the troops serving there do a rotation, or are there guys who do it full time (and if so, what a horrible thought!)? 2. Do local laws supersede federal laws when it comes to weapons? In other words, if a soldier is issued a rifle, can he carry it off-base even if the local laws don’t allow civilians to walk around with those kinds of weapons? Or are they like FBI agents, and can carry their weapons everywhere? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/280 "2016-11-27T13:30:05Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Two questions - > > 1. Who protects the base in the U.S. military? Do the troops serving there do a rotation, or are there guys who do it full time (and if so, what a horrible thought!)? It’s a combination: military police, civilian employee federal law enforcement officers (employed by the Department of Defense), sevice members performing military guard duty, and service members performing shore patrol/courtesy patrol. What’s horrible about it? Surely, your country’s army has military police. > [@](#): > > 1. Do local laws supersede federal laws when it comes to weapons? In other words, if a soldier is issued a rifle, can he carry it off-base even if the local laws don’t allow civilians to walk around with those kinds of weapons? Or are they like FBI agents, and can carry their weapons everywhere? Service members cannot carry sevice-issued weapons off base unless the performance of their assigned duties requires it. Although a sevice member may be assigned a weapon for the duration of his or her assignment in a unit, he or she does not keep the weapon when not performing duties which require the sevice-issued member to have the weapon on his or her person; the weapon is secured in the unit armory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929.md?page=15)