# Civilians pretending they're guarding recruiters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2015, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929 "2015-07-23T04:55:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/141 "2015-07-30T11:18:34Z")
**Gyrate** : Changing service branches–for both Enlisted and Commissioned–is common enough. What drove it for me was two things: career stagnation in the Army and better opportunity in the Navy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/142 "2015-07-30T11:21:08Z")
Huh. Ignorance fought. Thanks, **Monty**. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/143 "2015-07-30T18:12:35Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 6 1/2 years, United States Army, Active Duty, separated at the rank of Specialist (5), transferred to the drilling Reserve. 13 months drilling with the Army Reserve, separated from Reserves upon enlistment into the US Navy. 13 1/2 years, United States Navy, Active Duty, retired as Personnelman First Class. > > What’s yours? None. My Dad served overseas from Dec 8th 1941 thru late 1946, decorated, disabled. Mostly New Guinea. Then National Gd for 40 years. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/144 "2015-07-30T18:25:13Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Heh. “I’m not out here for the glory.” Yah, it’s just a regular hole. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/145 "2015-07-30T18:37:10Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 6 1/2 years, United States Army, Active Duty, separated at the rank of Specialist (5), transferred to the drilling Reserve. 13 months drilling with the Army Reserve, separated from Reserves upon enlistment into the US Navy. 13 1/2 years, United States Navy, Active Duty, retired as Personnelman First Class. Any combat service? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/146 "2015-07-30T18:50:02Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Yah, it’s just a regular hole. _Bullet_ hole. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/147 "2015-07-30T18:54:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Any combat service? I did serve in a combat zone. Why do you ask? It really has nothing to do with the purported wisdom of having, as I said, armed civilians pretending to guard recruiting offices. Oh, and nobody asked about your father’s military experience. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/148 "2015-07-30T18:57:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I did serve in a combat zone. Why do you ask? Oh, and nobody asked about your father’s military experience. Do I feel a gotcha coming? Don’t disappoint me DrDeth! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/149 "2015-07-30T19:23:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 6 1/2 years, United States Army, Active Duty, separated at the rank of Specialist (5), transferred to the drilling Reserve. 13 months drilling with the Army Reserve, separated from Reserves upon enlistment into the US Navy. 13 1/2 years, United States Navy, Active Duty, retired as Personnelman First Class. > > What’s yours? Pfft. What have you done for me _lately_? 😃 [QUOTE=Yes Prime Minister] **Bernard Wooley** : If you did want another view, I know the government’s chief scientific adviser sees the problem rather differently from the MoD. **Jim Hacker** : I’d like to see him, now. **Wooley** : A late drink might be wiser, better not let the Cabinet Office know. Sir Humphrey gets very upset. He doesn’t regard the chief scientific adviser as one of us. **Hacker** : I thought he won the DSO at Arnhem. **Wooley** : That doesn’t make up for speaking with an Austrian accent. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/150 "2015-07-30T19:28:04Z")
If it weren’t for people like **DrDeth’s** dad, we’d all be speaking with an Austrian accent. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/151 "2015-07-30T19:33:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > **Gyrate** : Changing service branches–for both Enlisted and Commissioned–is common enough. What drove it for me was two things: career stagnation in the Army and better opportunity in the Navy. I knew a couple of people who transferred \*out \*of the Navy, but none who transferred in :). ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/152 "2015-07-30T19:56:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You seem to be unaware that police are also involved in this nifty activity known as _crime prevention_. Police doing crime prevention are generally driving around looking for traffic violations or easily seen criminal activities. They do not generally wander past every residence in the passage of a shift specifically looking for criminal activity, they rely on dispatchers using reports of criminal activities [loud parties, road racing teens, loud arguments, someone lurking] and then they get dispatched to investigate. They are not a body guard force for every single individual at any time. If there is a cop at a school, store, bank or parking lot, they frequently are working off the clock in their work uniform and being paid by that business to sit there as a guard. There are not enough cops in this country to do what you seem to think they actually must be doing. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/153 "2015-07-30T19:58:08Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 13 1/2 years, United States Navy, Active Duty, retired as Personnelman First Class. > > What’s yours? ooOOoOoOoo miliary human resources … you must fill out a mean form =) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/154 "2015-07-30T20:04:47Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Police doing crime prevention are generally driving around looking for traffic violations or easily seen criminal activities. They do not generally wander past every residence in the passage of a shift specifically looking for criminal activity, they rely on dispatchers using reports of criminal activities [loud parties, road racing teens, loud arguments, someone lurking] and then they get dispatched to investigate. They are not a body guard force for every single individual at any time. If there is a cop at a school, store, bank or parking lot, they frequently are working off the clock in their work uniform and being paid by that business to sit there as a guard. There are not enough cops in this country to do what you seem to think they actually must be doing. Depends on the jurisdiction. Our condo complex discontinued two security services for goofing off in the property manager’s office and contracted with the county PD to have on-duty officers periodically patrol the complex at night. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/155 "2015-07-30T20:06:24Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > ooOOoOoOoo miliary human resources … you must fill out a mean form =) You really didn’t have to make that post to show as you’ve already demonstrated that you don’t know what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/156 "2015-07-30T20:31:53Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > ooOOoOoOoo miliary human resources … you must fill out a mean form =) Who do you think does the recruiting? ETA: I, of course, have no idea if **Monty** was ever a recruiter but some Personnelmen are. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/157 "2015-07-31T01:38:24Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You really didn’t have to make that post to show as you’ve already demonstrated that you don’t know what you’re talking about. And your silly point is? Exactly how is pushing papers any demonstration of a noncombattants ability to be an armed effective? I have probably had more paperwork misfiled by PNs than most women. The best thing a PN can do is resolve the screwed up pay issues of an actual combattant. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/158 "2015-07-31T02:42:53Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > And your silly point is? > > Exactly how is pushing papers any demonstration of a noncombattants ability to be an armed effective? > > I have probably had more paperwork misfiled by PNs than most women. The best thing a PN can do is resolve the screwed up pay issues of an actual combattant. So, give your actual combatant perspective, **aruvqan**. How is **Monty** ’s perspectivre wrong, per your experience? What is the value added from untrained civilian gunmen protecting recruiting stations? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/159 "2015-07-31T03:26:45Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > And your silly point is? > > Exactly how is pushing papers any demonstration of a noncombattants ability to be an armed effective? > > I have probably had more paperwork misfiled by PNs than most women. The best thing a PN can do is resolve the screwed up pay issues of an actual combattant. Wow. You really are stupid. I was a noncombatant? Interesting concept. Before I educate your dumb ass, pray inform me which part of the ships were left behind when the rest of the ships were underway. And all of your pathetic posturing has nothing to do with the issue in this thread: the posturing of other stupid people pretending to protect recruiters. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/160 "2015-07-31T08:55:01Z")
Forgot something. I really can’t be bothered with doing so, but I sure hope someone else who picked up this BS from you > [@aruvqan](#): > > I have probably had more paperwork misfiled by PNs than most women. decides to Pit you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929.md?page=9)